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Some weeks ago I switched on my old Falcon030 for the first time since 1997. The operating system feels surprisingly modern and fast. If it weren't for the low screen resolution, you could almost mistake it for an up-to-date window manager like XFCE.



I used the TOS alternative MagiC with NVDI and an alternative desktop called Jinnee on my Falcon back then (when I wasn't using it for music production, those programs where usually incompatible with MagiC).

This made the system feel pretty much state of the art.

https://www.atariuptodate.de/en/447/jinnee#img1


Wanted a Falcon030 back in the days, couldn't get one, settled with a Bebox.


Teenage me is envious of your BeBox.


I have the same opinion in regards to the Amiga, there are many workloads that they would do just fine nowadays.

Writing letters, basic spreadsheets, homemade flyers, reading email,...


Wonder how it would manage with TLS everywhere …


The tasks I listed don't require TLS everywhere.


These days they do. Everyone does their business on the web.

Sorry I get where you’re coming from but I was just adding this because as a vintage technology enthusiast this is an issue I come up against constantly.


In which part of "Writing letters, basic spreadsheets, homemade flyers" is TLS required?


Put the baseball bat down bro. You are describing something I do a lot, I play with old computers and try to put them to use. Pervasive cryptography has changed everything even stuff that’s ten years old has issues with certificates and deprecated versions. In any modern setting this is a serious handicap.

tl;dr our hardware requirements would be vastly slashed if we didn’t have an expectation of TLS everywhere.


His point seemed pretty simple to me. If you're running local apps, not going on the Internet, you don't need TLS. Nobody expects a 30+ year old retro system to run a modern browser.


Bro explain the HN audience how using AmigaWriter or PageStream, alongside a printer pluged via the Amiga printer port, requires TLS.


Well you’re really narrowing down the usescases to suit an argument we really don’t even need to have this is boring


You are free to explain the same to the other use cases I mentioned on my first comment, and I am still curious.

In case you go for email, I didn't mention the communication protocol, or possible existence of a gateway.


I though it was obvious: "you don't do what I do, exactly like I do it, therefore you are wrong". There's a lot of that type running around.


AmiSSL exists. Gemini browsers for Amiga too.


I know, I didn't specify Web browsing on purpose, because some "I feel smart" would exactly react as they did.

Turns out there is still a lot of uses a computer can serve without being plugged into the Internet.


That's true. When I didn't have internet at home in early 00's I did far more tasks than today. The thing is today, except for Debian (DVD/BD sets/ISO's), Hyperbola (offline mirroring, the repos are small) and few systems more, working offline seems odd as lots of things depend on fetching software via repos, or documentation, where you can't get that any more for lots of programming languages or software such as MS Office.

But, well, at least systems like 9front have static binaries, so they are easily shareable, and all the documentation it's offline.

And, universally, there's mbsync/msmtp for email, and news spooling via usenet. Sometimes I'd love an NNTP->Usenet bridge, so everything could be done offline from nearly any modern OS since the 90's, and just connect once to answer to all threads.


Yeah except people don’t use computers like that any more. Sorry if that makes you feel “wrankled“


Not everyone is you.

I have the thick skin of Usenet and BBSs flamewars...


Traumatised people often think their defence mechanisms are virtues




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