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>it seems to me that the US gains very little from being in NATO.

So far Europeans died in USA conflicts around the world , how many conflicts did Europe start and USA had to get involved so far ?

From me a Romanian, feels very shitty that our soldiers died in Iraq and Afghanistan for America but now if we will need help Trumpists will not help back.




>So far Europeans died in USA conflicts around the world , how many conflicts did Europe start and USA had to get involved so far ?

Setting aside for a moment the rather large conflict that ended in 1945 - if you're in your late 20s or older, both Libya and Kosovo happened within your lifetime and meet your criteria.


>Setting aside for a moment the rather large conflict that ended in 1945 - if you're in your late 20s or older, both Libya and Kosovo happened within your lifetime and meet your criteria.

1 That was not an Article 5 thing,

2 how many USA soldiers gave their life in Kosovoa?

3 1945/ww2 I think USA was attacked by Japan, americans did not enter the world to protect Europe, they were forced in the war so they had no choice then to fight their enemies wherever they are.


>3 1945/ww2 I think USA was attacked by Japan, americans did not enter the world to protect Europe, they were forced in the war so they had no choice then to fight their enemies wherever they are.

The American strategy in WWII was "Germany First" despite it having been the Japanese that attacked us.


And that strategy was somehow altruistic ? Explain? And explain why waiting to defend "Europe"

Anyway we talking about NATO, USA used Art5 and Europeans died for USA, but now Trumpists complain that we are not doing enough and USA will not return the favor


This history on this is well documented. The US was helping the allies before entering the war by providing weapons and resources. Before being attacked the US was isolationist (like “Trumpists”). It took getting punched in the mouth to muster the resolve to join the war. The attack on Pearl Harbor brought the UK to war with Japan and solidified allied resolve.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declarations_of_war_during_W...


> how many USA soldiers gave their life in Kosovoa?

Based on a quick wiki scan looks like two. This accounts for all NATO casualties. No Romanians were killed in Kosovo.

A combined total of 30 Romanians were killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.




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