That's why I'm suggesting that we target very large vehicles first. I am skeptical that poor people absolutely need very large vehicles, which are more expensive to run anyway.
> I am skeptical that poor people absolutely need very large vehicles
and I'm skeptical that you're a moral human being. Apparently poor people with families don't need larger vehicles the way middle class people with families do.
> and I'm skeptical that you're a moral human being
Hm, surely we don't need to go that far. This is an internet discussion, we're supposed to be nice to each other!
> Apparently poor people with families don't need larger vehicles the way middle class people with families do.
Maybe I don't understand what claim you're making: is it 1) vans/SUVs must not become any more expensive (via higher insurance requirements), or else poor people will be priced out of owning a car entirely, or 2) owning a van/SUV is almost a human right, and raising the barrier to it is immoral?
I've tried looking at listings and I don't see evidence of the claim that somehow poor people are forced to buy SUVs because they're cheaper. There appear to be many big and small cars at every price range.
For 2), huge cars have only been widespread for a decade or two. The idea that they're somehow necessary for a meaningful human life is hard for me to grok.
One of my biggest criticisms of HN in general is that dang, et al, have created a safe space for heinous opinions where pushing back on them too hard will get YOU moderated.
You're on a crusade against larger vehicles and you think that crusade is more important than avoiding more harm to poor people, to the point that you said they have no need of larger vehicles (with a straight face) so it's ok to place a tax on them that will mean the poor will be forced to forego something as simple as a minivan for their family due to the extra taxes on them.
that's an immoral stance, one that you can only have gotten to because poor people is an abstract idea to you, you don't attribute any humanity to that abstract idea.
What makes it even worse is that you're so far gone you thought my issue with your statement was because I think owning a van or SUV is a human right rather than your entirely cavalier dismissal of the poor as being people.
rethink your strategy, the harm from your current strategy means it will never be implemented.
Also, minivans and vans have been around since the 1930's. Get your facts right.
