> What comes to my mind are labor unions, the NAACP,as well as feminists and other identity groups.
> They seem to follow a pattern of being really important for their time and place, but after winning the important, landmark victories, they stick around.
They stick around because union busting corporations, racists, and sexists don't just magically disappear or give up after they lose a battle.
If these groups were doing their job, those bad guys you mentioned should be gone by now, right? They used to make the history books with their accomplishments. What have they done for you lately?
> If these groups were doing their job, those bad guys you mentioned should be gone by now, right?
Wrong. By what magic do you think their opponents suddenly disappear or give up?
Martin Luther King said, "the arc of the moral universe is long". Progess is slow and subject to setbacks.
> They used to make the history books with their accomplishments.
Some areas of the country now want to ban the teaching of that history.
Forget racism and sexism for a moment: do you seriously think that the temporary existence of labor unions makes profit-maximizing corporations give up and give in to all of labor's demand for eternity, even after labor unions dissolved?
Do you feel the wars on drugs and terror will ever be won? I don't. I look at your wars the same way.
They'll drag on and on. Some people will get rich and powerful, but the people on whose behalf you're supposedly fighting don't really care about any of it.
They'd much rather have affordable healthcare and housing.
> They'd much rather have affordable healthcare and housing.
The "wars" for affordable healthcare and housing will also drag on and on. Because guess what, there are opposing sides fighting against each other on those issues too, and neither side will magically disappear or give up when one side wins a temporary victory.
It's truly bizarre that you think longstanding social issues can just be "solved" once and for all (if you truly believe that and aren't just trolling).
"If Christian evangelists did their job, then the whole world should be Christian." Doesn't that sound silly? It turns out that there are a whole lot of non-Christians in the world who don't want to be Christians, and they're going to do their "job" too.
So you've now compared feminist movements to Christian evangelists. Do you think christian evangelists are important and deserve our attention even if the majority of christians don't care about them? How about feminists if women don't care about them?
> So you've now compared feminist movements to Christian evangelists. Do you think christian evangelists are important and deserve our attention even if the majority of christians don't care about them?
You seem to have completely missed the point of why I mentioned them. We've now compared many different organizations and social issues. What they all have in common is that there are longstanding competiting interests on both sides, and thus an advocacy group doing its "job" doesn't entail that the opposition magically disappears. An advocacy group hasn't failed to do its job if it doesn't wipe the opposition off the face of the earth, thereby rendering itself irrelevant.
"An advocacy group should disband after one significant victory" is really an incredibly inane suggestion that could probably only be made by someone who doesn't like the advocacy group in question and wishes they would disband regardless of successes or failures.
I'm just writing to call out your abrupt change of subject and avoidance to actually answer the person you replied to. Please be a better poster, if you have no answer, just don't reply.
Get out of here with the "my team" / "your team" nonsense and the trolling in general. It's perfectly possible to make your point with reason and civility instead of cheap, shallow jabs, and if it isn't, well - probably not a point worth making.
I'm not supportive of all opinions from the left-wing about race and whatnot, but it's clear that there is real pushback. Some people want to downplay the crime of enslaving Africans and highlight "American exceptionalism", complete with evangelical Protestantism and some degree of white supremacy.
>those bad guys you mentioned should be gone by now, right
I dont follow your logic. Isnt this a bit like saying if doctors were doing their job, cancer should be gone by now? If police does their job all crime is gone?
Scientists research cancer and are producing visible, measurable results. If they hadn't had any for the past 50 years, I'd say maybe they should change course.
Are you saying that the civil rights and feminist movements in the US have not had visible measurable results in the last 50 years? If so, you are wrong.
I don't think they're too powerful. Like I said, the major victories were won long ago and are in the history books.
The institutions that claim to fight those things are the ones who are the bad guys now. All the while, ignoring the real problems that everyone wants solved.
Wage slavery and misogyny *are* real problems that sane people want solved.
Yes they are still problems.
No, there hasn’t been newsheavy significant wins recently. There has, however, been newsworthy significant losses.
The idea that institutions should disappear because they’ve managed certain successes is utterly, bafflingly stupid. That’s especially the case as we are still current fraught with issues that these institutions exist to help with.
> They seem to follow a pattern of being really important for their time and place, but after winning the important, landmark victories, they stick around.
They stick around because union busting corporations, racists, and sexists don't just magically disappear or give up after they lose a battle.