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> And, a fun technicality - I truly self-employed in the sense that I have a salary and a payroll system.

That's how most devs here in Norway would do it. Make a "proper" company, where you own 100 % of the shares. Then hire yourself, and pay yourself salary, withhold taxes, pay into a pension program etc. Mainly because if you make good money, it's better to leave some of it in the company (and for instance re-invest it into some index funds or something), instead of taking it out immediately as salary and getting it taxed before re-investing. But then still take enough salary to cover your expenses, get social security benefits etc.




doesn't the 'company' itself also pay taxes on the income?

For most solo folks in the US, the revenue flows directly to you. You could set up a more complex corporate structure to hold the income that you don't pay to yourself, but that corporation would itself have to pay taxes on the income too. I suspect there's not any real savings/benefit until there's enough 'leftover' money to start getting creative/flexible.


At least in the US that's true only for a C-corp. S-corps are pass-through entities. So it works like this very simplified example:

Business gross earnings: $200,000

Owner salary: $60,000

All other expenses including employer-side payroll tax: $20,000

Year-end result:

Owner receives a W2 reporting $60,000 in wages, which is taxed for Social Security, Medicare, and a special "self-employment tax". These wages are also eligible for deductions for retirement plan contributions (but not section 125 cafeteria plan deductions). Owner receives a K1 reporting $200k - $60k - $20k = $120,000 profit, which is taxed at the owner's individual income tax rate.

The business itself will not pay corporate tax on its profits like a C-corp would.


Company taxes are paid based on the profit. If you spend all the company income, on salaries or equipment or whatever, there’s no profit, and thus no taxes.


Yup, it's the same here. So there is a tax on the profit of the year that you let remain in the company, but it's a much lower tax than a wage tax. So it's better to leave it in the company until you need it, instead of paying a high marginal tax rate on taking it out as wage immediately.


Not all expenses are deductible, or 100% deductible in one year.

The biggest issue we've seen in software was the 2017 tax act, affecting software R&D starting in 2022. Depending on how you classify those expenses, you could have a sizeable tax bill, even without any 'profit'. But even hardware - that's typically going to be amortized over minimally a few years.

Bring in $200k in revenue. Spend $20k on hardware. You may only get to deduct $4k of that hardware expense in each of the next 5 years.


But are you doing R&D for your company when you're hiring yourself out as a consultant? Sounds weird if it's so categorical.


This is an excellent question and is, I have found, one that is being surprisingly ignored through all the hubub around section 174 / software / R&D, considering how many consulting shops and agencies are out there doing contract software development.

As best as I can determine, through reading the IRS's guidance and consulting with an industry expert, the answer is that doing software dev as a contractor/consultant does not qualify as R&D activities that must be capitalized if you're the contractor/consultant. Here is the language with a guiding example w/ analysis. The key being that the contractor bears no "financial risk" or right to use the software for its own purposes.

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/n-23-63.pdf

SECTION 6. RESEARCH PERFORMED UNDER CONTRACT .01 Purpose. The Treasury Department and the IRS intend to propose rules in forthcoming proposed regulations consistent with the interim guidance provided in this section 6, which provides taxpayers with clarity in determining whether costs paid or incurred for research performed under contract are SRE expenditures under § 174. .02 Defined terms. For purposes of this section 6: -27- (1) Research provider. The term research provider means the party that contracts with a research recipient (as defined in section 6.02(2) of this notice) to: (a) perform research services for the research recipient with respect to an SRE product, or (b) develop an SRE product (as defined in section 6.02(4) of this notice) that the research recipient acquires from the research provider. (2) Research recipient. The term research recipient means the party that contracts with the research provider to: (a) perform research services for the research recipient with respect to an SRE product, or (b) develop an SRE product that the research recipient acquires from the research provider. (3) Financial risk. The term financial risk means the risk that the research provider may suffer a financial loss related to the failure of the research to produce the desired SRE product. (4) SRE product. The term SRE product means any pilot model, process, formula, invention, technique, patent, computer software, or similar property (or a component thereof) that is subject to protection under applicable domestic or foreign law. For example, mere know-how gained by a research provider through the performance of research services for a research recipient that is not subject to protection under applicable domestic or foreign law does not give rise to an SRE product in the hands of the research provider. .03 Treatment of costs paid or incurred by research recipient. The treatment of costs -28- paid or incurred by the research recipient is governed by the principles set forth in § 1.174-2(a)(10) and (b)(3). .04 Treatment of costs paid or incurred by research provider. If the research provider bears financial risk under the terms of the contract with the research recipient, then costs paid or incurred by the research provider that are incident to the SRE activities (see section 4.03 of this notice) performed by the research provider under the contract are SRE expenditures. However, even if the research provider does not bear financial risk under the terms of the contract with the research recipient, if the research provider has a right to use any resulting SRE product in the trade or business of the research provider or otherwise exploit any resulting SRE product through sale, lease, or license, then costs paid or incurred by the research provider that are incident to the SRE activities performed by the research provider under the contract are SRE expenditures of the research provider for which no deduction is allowed except as provided in § 174(a)(2), regardless of whether the research recipient is required to treat its costs as SRE expenditures under section 6.03 of this notice. For purposes of the preceding sentence, a research provider will not be treated as having a right to use the SRE product in the trade or business of the research provider or otherwise exploit the SRE product through sale, lease, or license if such right is available to the research provider only upon obtaining approval from another party to the research arrangement that is not related to the research provider within the meaning of § 267 or § 707. .05 Example. The following example illustrates the rules set forth in section 6 of this notice. (1) Facts. Company C engages Company D, a contractor located in the United -29- States, to develop an SRE product for use in Company C’s trade or business. The activities undertaken by Company D are undertaken upon Company C’s order, and Company D makes no performance guarantees with respect to the SRE product. Company C will pay Company D a fixed sum of $25,000 plus an amount equivalent to Company D’s actual expenditures. Company D does not have any right to use or otherwise exploit any resulting SRE product. In 2023, Company D incurs $125,000 of expenditures to successfully develop the product in the United States, and Company C pays to Company D $150,000 pursuant to the terms of the contract. (2) Analysis. Under section 6.04 of this notice, Company D may not treat the $125,000 of expenditures it incurs to develop the SRE product on behalf of Company C as SRE expenditures under § 174 because (i) Company D does not bear financial risk, and (ii) Company D does not have any right to use or otherwise exploit any resulting SRE product. Under section 6.03 of this notice, the $150,000 paid by Company C is an amount paid to another party for research or experimentation undertaken on Company C’s behalf under § 1.174-2(a)(10) and (b)(3) and is thus an SRE expenditure under section 4.02(2) of this notice. The applicable § 174 amortization period is 5 years (60 months) because the research is performed by Company D in the United States. Company C’s location is not relevant for determination of the applicable § 174 amortization period.




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