Human walking speed approaches 3 miles per hour.

A 15 minute city is therefore somewhere all of these facilities are a bit under a mile away.

Most places in the US are probably two- or three-hour-cities — which is still nothing to the average EV’s range.

First line of the wikipedia page I linked:

> The 15-minute city (FMC or 15mC[2][3][4][5][6][7]) is an urban planning concept in which most daily necessities and services, such as work, shopping, education, healthcare, and leisure can be easily reached by a 15-minute walk, bike ride, or public transit ride from any point in the city.

Roughly 20mph on an electric bike, in 15mn I believe you do roughly 5 miles?

20mph is hauling it on a bicycle. A normal cruising speed on a bike is more like 12-15mph. So that's more like 3.75mi.

But yes, for all the suburbs I've lived in I've had the choice of dozens+ of restaurants, a few grocers, various stores, office parks, and more within 5mi. There's definitely places where this isn't true but it's not like all suburbs take two miles to leave the pure houses neighborhood.

You seem to like moving the goal posts.

No one claimed that the average suburban "Main St" is going to compare to high-density urban planning, but that suburban shopping options generally offer choices for most daily shopping needs within a reasonable (1-8km) distance independent from the city hub they're next to.

> No one claimed that the average suburban "Main St" is going to compare to high-density urban planning

You did. Dense cities are struggling to implement the 15mn trip to any amenities. Yet you are claiming that everything is in a range of 8km from the average house in an American suburb, that roughly 15mn on an e-bike.

>> a choice of restaurants, bars, cafés, hotels, etc.

> All of that is included in the "etc." part.

Now who's moving the goal post?

You started this with a nonsense statement that suburban American's were somehow 15km away from the nearest shop, which you were corrected on. Then you decided to be pedantic about the reply so you nitpicked the fact the author didn't include restaurants or bars. Then when I corrected that, you decided to move the goal posts to suburbs being 15 minute cities. Now you've decided to triple-down rather than acknowledge maybe your understanding is flawed.

> Yet you are claiming that everything is in a range of 8km

No one said "everything", but "most shopping options". You don't seem actually interested on having an honest conversation rather than pushing a distorted view of American suburbs of which you don't seem to have any 1st hand experience.

In the conventional american city everything is 20 minutes away. Nothing is truly inconvenient, but nowhere has that glorious vibe of effortless living either. In the burbs, every errand is alright, but it's also low key demeaning.

Yes, they unironically are 15 minute cities. A typical suburbanite will never have to spend more than 15 minutes traveling for a routine errand.

Just because you don’t like how they do it doesn’t mean that they don’t do it.