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> Of course they do. But the average car is only driven a few hours a day. If you take the total fixed costs of a car and divide it amongst dozens of people, it's much cheaper than ownership.

OK, without the actual numbers it's hard to debate the details here. Maintenance will obviously be higher, and depending on the competition and regulation, cost could vary dramatically.

But we're getting off topic. Earlier, you said:

> the rise of the self driving car is going to completely torpedo 90% of the advantages of living in a city.

Saving money on car ownership is not 90% of the value of urban life for me, and never has been.

> However, I think it's almost purely a result of demographic shifts not some new desire to live in cities. Young childless people have always wanted to live in the city, we just have more of them than we used to.

I don't believe this either, and it's what I was getting at earlier. I don't foresee myself every living outside of walking distance from essentials, especially once I have children. I hear the same from my peers, but I guess time will tell.




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