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We need wagons/estates, but those only do well in select markets in the US, pretty much only blue intellectuals would buy one over a crossover.


Sienna/Odyssey/Pacifica/Sedona cover this segment.


I disagree, I think a wagon or estate can be designed to look cool, like the Audi RS6 Avant, to take it to the extreme, a minivan not so much.


The problem with "cool" station wagons is the same as the problem with SUVs - they are less useful than "uncool" ones.

My father had VW Passat and now he has Audi A6. Passat Station Wagon (what we call kombi in Europe) fits 2 big bicycles inside without disassembling them. Audi A6 and similar doesn't even fit 1 because of the angle of the rear window.

Of course SUV also wouldn't fit 2 bikes inside, but still - you buy kombi for a reason. Making them cool to the point of breaking the usability is stupid.


I think that’s part of the idea of the whole VAG group though. The A6/Passat/Superb are all the same platform tweaked slightly for people trying to achieve different things. I’d say it’s a great setup.


have you seen Kia Carnival ?


I had not! Looks like it was the Sedona in North America until recently, which I have seen. Kinda looks like a minivan wearing a SUV trench coat. Not bad but I’m not in love ;)


They look goofy next to German wagons.




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