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When are we going to have cheaper e-ink screens available? Anyone know if the situation has changed in the last couple of years? See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26143779


Yeah I built one with 10" screens

https://dheera.net/projects/einkframe/

I really want to upgrade to at least 31" but it's rather expensive.

Separately in the next irritation of this project I'm hoping to use an ESP32 instead of an RPi Zero to power it, and use the deep sleep mode so it can periodically update but sleep through the rest of the time, allowing a few months of battery life with no wire sticking out.

Even more ideal would be putting a thin strip of solar panel on the top edge of the frame to keep it charged, and use some kind of supercapacitor to power the ESP32, though I don't know if the parts for that exist, especially solar panel that is 1cm wide.


OP here. Your project is really cool, thanks for sharing. I was considering the same idea, but it means updating the drivers to work on an ESP32

The best option I found so far is a timer shield that can wake up the Raspberry periodically: https://www.pishop.us/product/sleepy-pi-2-power-management-s...


Realistically, it’ll be when the patents expire.


My understanding is it's much more about demand than patents.

LED panels got cheap because we built factories that pump out a lot of them.


I just glanced, they still want about 500 bucks for the 13" screen and half of that for the board to drive it. While I have no clue what making the screen at a low scale might cost, the board cannot possibly be five times more expensive than a Raspberry Pi, can it?


No, simple driver boards aren't super complicated. Nor are the chips on them manufactured on the fanciest nodes. They're not super-high-volume either though and as a result somewhat expensive on a BoM.

Here's the data sheet for the ITE IT8951, a frequently-used ASIC for this purpose that supports basic partial updates as well: https://www.waveshare.net/w/upload/1/18/IT8951_D_V0.2.4.3_20...

Here's a sourcing price: https://www.win-source.net/products/detail/ite/it8951e-64-dx...

It's basically a fairly simple SPI interface (or here a SPI wrapper around an internal Z80 protocol). The rest of the board is power supply handling and a DRAM framebuffer chip, external to the driver ASIC on SPI as well. I wrote a custom driver for this in Rust for my project, and it only took about a day despite a few leaky-abstractions oddities in how it communicates over SPI.

The chip itself is basically buffer handling, image processing (features like JPEG decode, resampling and some LUT mechanisms) and a waveform generator. Others will have some IP blocks for, say, a HDMI frontend. Any decent chip company can crank this out pretty quick. There's easily 10+ product lines on the market.

For simple things you may not even need one and can drive the panel from an MCU directly.

There are more expensive, more advanced drivers that implement more complicated and higher-performance (say, refresh rate) update schemes or I/O though.


Realistically you’re not paying for the hardware when you buy the driver board, but rather the software baked into those boards.

The waveforms, and the algorithms that create waveforms, used to drive eInk displays at reasonable speeds and produce high quality images are highly proprietary and very difficult to develop. In theory it’s easy to make an eInk display an image, but doing that in a reasonable period of time, when transitioning from potentially any starting state, and handling the crosstalk between pixels, makes creating good images on an eInk display pretty hard to get right.


Which patents need to expire to have cheaper e-ink displays?


They’ll just keep repeating thus trope whenever an e-ink project comes up. (They don’t think that LCD screens have patents too?)


Surely most LCD patents have expired by now?


'And there are new ones as tech improves




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