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CT scans of coffee-making equipment (scanofthemonth.com)
725 points by eucalyptuseye on Aug 31, 2023 | hide | past | favorite | 167 comments



The point about the newer Bialettis being cheaper is absolutely true. My mother has an old (>10 years) Moka that feels heavy and sturdy. A couple of years ago, after accidentally leaving it on the stove for too long, the bottom chamber and the filter basket got a permanent burnt coffee taste, and we bought a new one to replace it. That one was lighter and came with a significant thinner filter basket, which I also attributed to either being counterfeit or just they shipping cheaper versions of the product to Brazil.

Then, a couple of months ago, I was on vacation in Italy and decided to get a brand new one as a gift, directly from an official Bialetti store. To my surprise, the Mokas in the store felt exactly like the lower-quality one we had bought in Brazil. I didn't even buy the gift.


You see a similar thing with the glass chemex. There is a healthy market on eBay for pre-1980 models that were hand blown from great quality glass. My wife got me one for a gift and the difference in feel is remarkable. New ones feel fragile, this feels solid and strong. I’ve broken two of the newer versions and it’s dangerous. The old one is still standing strong in my house, surviving trips in my RV, and generally doing it’s job. I’m sure I sound like a curmudgeon but they don’t make stuff like they used to


They still make high quality ones, you just have to specifically get the "handblown series" (at 2-3x the price of the regular).

e.g. https://www.chemexcoffeemaker.com/eight-cup-handblown-series...


I am aware of those, but from what I understand the pre-80s ones are still better. I’m sure given a little time someone who is chemex expert will chime in and give a definitive comment.


Even if the manufacturing process is the same, pre-80s ones may be better on average due to survivorship bias: the weaker ones broke already.


Could they be different ent … use say lead … like some lens use radioactive material.


This feels like it might be similar to the difference between PYREX and pyrex [1]

[1] https://www.allrecipes.com/article/what-is-the-difference-be...


James Hoffman gives a good history of Bialetti here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upgQsA5kLAk including their sale to Faema and later to a cookware manufacturer, their numerous brushes with bankruptcy, and the stiff competition they've gotten from... even in Italy... pod machines.


What did you expect? They're not exactly innovators, are they?


Bialetti has been on its last leg since 2015. They're drowning in debt and (in the best case scenario) are headed toward restructuring soon; in any case their future's not looking bright.


Any insights into what went wrong?


I'm not sure about the details. IMHO a contributing factor is that they're a company historically centered around manufacturing nearly indestructible appliances (even the newer mokas, however flimsier, don't break easily); once the market was saturated with the flagship product, there's only so much profit they could squeeze out of selling accessories and the like.


I don't know if this is the ideal takeaway. Otherwise, we should all prioritize making our products flimsier and more expensive.

I think it's just a straightforward failure of creativity — or, even more plainly, a failure to understand their customer. They had a great product, which led to a loyal following — why not expand into adjacent markets?

The cruel irony is that their product was related to something that's extremely disposable. Why not get into the business of coffee beans? Why not partner with interesting coffee growers? Subscription businesses have been huge for decades, now — why not offer consumers the ability to buy an espresso bean subscription to go with their Mokapot, thereby generating a reliable recurring revenue stream?

A glimpse at their Wikipedia page [1] suggests they never even tried to branch out from the small, comfortable niche of cookware.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bialetti


> Otherwise, we should all prioritize making our products flimsier and more expensive.

It's the view of many that this is indeed what most companies prioritize — I'm not saying it's true, but it doesn't seem to be a particularly fringe opinion. It's in the vein of enshittification.

Also, might I ask how you inserted that em-dash? A keyboard shortcut? It's interesting to see fancy typography online.


In macOS you can also use:

option+minus for en-dash – and shift+option+minus for em-dash —


This can be reproduced on Linux using the "mac" layout. "option" is "level 3 shift" on Linux.

This works on X11, I haven't tried on Wayland.

On Windows it works, too, by grabbing the "us - mac" layout and using the alt-gr for the mac's option. I think this is the layout I use: https://github.com/adunning/Mac-Keyboard-Layouts-for-Windows


One can look up the utf8 character for different typographical characters and copy and paste them in. On macOS at least, there is a keyboard shortcut for "emojis" (Cntl+Cmd+Space) and a little window shows up where you can search for emojis by name, and typographical characters by name (such as "em dash"). —pjh


> One can look up the utf8 character for different typographical characters and copy and paste them in.

Haha, yeah, that's what I usually do. But it's arduous enough for me not to bother for a HN comment. That's why I brought it up.

I love macOS' emoji picker thing, I wish there were something like it on Linux.


Bring up the keyboard viewer widget on macOS and it will show you a live preview of what each key is... you can hold down the modifiers to see how the keys change.

https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/use-the-keyboard-vi...

Also—FWIW—an m-dash should not have whitespace on either side, at least, not in America. :-)

https://medium.com/typography/on-dashes-hyphens-and-other-im...

https://www.smashingmagazine.com/2011/08/mind-your-en-and-em...


KCharSelect on KDE Plasma is a good alternative on Linux.


WinCompose is wonderfully intuitive for those on operating systems without one included stock.


Here in Italy, Bialetti have nice outlets, much like Le Creuset does. The one in my town often has quite a few people in.


> I don't know if this is the ideal takeaway. Otherwise, we should all prioritize making our products flimsier and more expensive.

That's an "is-ought" gap if I've ever seen one, sadly.


Brand protection may be one reason. Branding with a supplier who messes up in the coffee bean arena would hurt their reputation. Some business will throw ideas out and see what fits and maybe get a second really good product. Getting another product and being successful is hard enough which is why you see larger companies buying out others. It’s easier to buy and get a successful product from and existing than branching out and hitting another success.


But even if the market is saturated... is it really? I'm just an armchair expert in this case, but as far as I'm aware, there's not a coffee maker yet in every house; they will eventually break if overheated for example (I broke mine's rubber seal by putting it on the stove without water); and there's plenty of untapped markets out there yet.

That said, one person may buy one coffee maker and never need another one for the next decade or two, or pass it on to their children if it's really good. So what another comment said, them expanding into selling coffee as well for example, sounds like an idea.


If the rubber seal is damaged, you can simply replace it, you don't need to buy a new coffee maker. When people mention that newer coffee makers are cheaper and lower-quality, that's probably Bialetti trying to reach a larger market. I guess lots of people bought one and rarely if ever used it (I think even I have one somewhere, but don't ask me where).

As for expanding into selling coffee: that's natural for systems like Senseo or Nespresso, where you have custom pads/pods which you insert into the machine (not sure if third-party pad/pod makers have to pay a license fee to the "system provider"?), but Bialetti coffee makers work with any ground coffee. Might be an idea nevertheless, but not sure about the odds of success - I imagine most Italians already have their favorite brand of coffee and wouldn't suddenly switch to "Bialetti Coffee" just because they say it works best with their machines.


That hypothesis implies that they would wipe out the whole industry long before themselves, so it's probably not correct.


Not really, it remains true even when you take competition into account. Also, the rest of the industry isn't really playing the same game: all other companies producing moka pots are vastly more diversified. You have e.g. Alessi which fills the design-oriented niche (and has tons of other products), or the countless crummy knock-off factories which churn out all sorts of trash and just happen to machine moka pots once in a while. But only Bialetti kept all its eggs in one basket (at least until it was too late).


their quality went way downhill and they shipped production overseas. I would love to have a nice bialetti moka express or a stainless version. i bought one probs 8 or 9 yrs ago, and it wasn't long before the tin lining separated, and the overall quality was crap. nothing like my mothers or any others I had used when i was introduced to them in italy. so i bought an alessi stainless steel made in italy pot at like 5x the price, and never looked back. but do i think a well built bialetti would be as good or better, they just dont make them well anymore…


I see a lot of Bialetti-branded cookware at local supermarkets. Things like nonstick frying pans. I actually bought one on a trip once when I needed a pan, and it's pretty good.


They started making garbage quality products and their brand recognition plummeted? Look at the mukka express for example. [0]

They did one thing well and succeeded for decades and then tried to expand their business and failed miserably.

I have seen crap quality bialetti everything. They make pots and pans now too.

[0] https://www.amazon.ca/Bialetti-Express-Cow-Print-Stovetop-Ca...


> "Any insights into what went wrong?"

For one thing, things like Aeropress, Nespresso/Keurig, and cheaper/better home espresso and bean-to-cup coffee machines came along. People don't necessarily need to muck around with a Moka pot to make quality coffee at home any more.

And if you really do want a Moka pot, there's a lot of cheaper Chinese competitors now that look the part and actually have reasonable quality.


Luckily for you bialetti doesn't have a monopoly on the design and you can just get a better quality one from another manufacturer


Serious Eats says Bialetti, even after all the changes, is still much better than anything on the market.

https://www.seriouseats.com/moka-pot-cheap-espresso-alternat...


Such a cool idea, and attractive images. However I’m kind of disappointed they mostly picked things that are fairly simple, transparent or openable, and look exactly the way you’d expect them to inside. I assume some combination of cost & size drove this.

A vintage espresso machine with 1 group head would be more novel, for example.


Lumafield scanned a 1960s flip flop module for me, to help reverse engineer some vintage NASA hardware. The module contained a bunch of resistors, transistors, capacitors, and diodes, encased in a 13-pin plastic package. These modules had various functions and were used like integrated circuits, but made from discrete components in the pre-IC time. With the Lumafield scans, I could reverse-engineer the circuitry.

My writeup: https://www.righto.com/2022/08/lumafield-flip-flop.html


What an amazing project and thanks for sharing so much about the process!


You just reminded me there's a video on youtube of a guy literally tearing a Juicero apart and it's hilarious:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cp-BGQfpHQ


Probably one of AvE's best videos. I was just chatting about the peak Silicon Valley insanity that was Juicero yesterday.

That thing was built like a Bugatti. And he's like "why not use a roller instead of a press??".


It really is, he is equally impressed and disgusted with this one, a rare combination. Most impressively built stuff isn't so wasteful. And most useless junk isn't nearly so well made.


I think they were trying to turn food into a subscription service? Having complete control over a person's food supply sounds like an 8 million dollar idea. It still sounds like a really bad idea, but I think that is how Juicero was pitched to investors, rather than a spaceship that squeezes bags marginally worse than a person can.


Even when first announced, it became a meme among friends Juicero (and Ubeam) were peak Silicon Valley.


I love AvE and somehow understand exactly what he's saying whilst simultaneously having no idea what he's saying half the time.

Does anyone know if this is some regional slang? Or is AvE just very unique in how he speaks?


He's mostly putting it on, with the "vidjaeos, J-A-Pan" and such.

He does combine a bunch of Quebecois and Western rural slang in a very impressive way though!


It is very Canadian and is full to the brim with references to the Red Green Show, including his sign-off telling you to “keep your stick on the ice”.


Aha! Thank you :)


Thank you for posting this. I've seen it a few times already, but I'm watching it again, and it's cracking me up, yet again.


Holy shit that's amazingly funny.

My personal highlight as he's pushing the button wildly, "oh for fuck's sake. The mash harder button. Es funktioniert nicht"

Also subtly hilarious that the machine more and more covered in root juice as he goes. God that's good.


The auto-generated captions have a scunthorpe problem; censoring a British & Australian term for a cigarette that has a more offensive meaning in the US.


There are scans of other, more-complex objects on the site, such as the Nintendo Game Boy series: https://www.scanofthemonth.com/scans/game-boy-compendium


I actually enjoyed this one more, since it was used to point out measured tolerances and problems with manufacturing (voids, bubbles, untrimmed flash, shavings, etc).


E-61! Second choice, Atomic stovetop espresso machine.

With clinical equipment you can image all sorts of things beautifully, but a hunk of brass won’t generate any useful images.


And even that you essentially disassemble them and see how they work through using them. I suppose a lot of people only know or use one or two ways and may be completely unfamiliar with others though.


Yea, can we get one of a CT scanner?


Interesting images and a very well put together page.

But a little off topic, I was struck by this:

> With the powerful 1200 W heating element

A typical European kettle is at least 1800 W, comfortably less than the power deliverable from a 10 A, 230 V circuit. A typical UK kettle would be more like 3000 W, such as this one (it seems that all the kettles on that website are 3 kW):

https://www.argos.co.uk/product/9363195?clickPR=plp:1:72


UK plug sockets are rated at 13 A, giving a maximum power rating of 2,990 W. Kettles are consequently amongst the highest-drawing household appliances in the UK.

Back when there were only three television channels, the National Grid planners used to pore over the Radio Times, looking for popular programmes like the Morecambe and Wise Christmas Special (21 to 28 million viewers in 1977), so they could prepare for the demand surge of the entire nation putting the kettle on at the end of the programme.


Related HN discussion about UK power demand surges due to millions of kettles being simultaneously turned on during TV breaks: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5018560


TV Pickup (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_pickup) also leads to the political issue where one of the drivers of Brexit was that the 'EU' wanted to 'take away' traditional kettles because there was a proposal to embed a warm up cycle of a few seconds into the heating element so it didn't have spiky power consumption which caused very large amounts of simultaneous draw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCAzalhldg8


>UK plug sockets are rated at 13 A, giving a maximum power rating of 2,990 W.

Nominally, anyway. When the EU standardised mains voltages they mostly did so on paper by fudging the tolerances, UK's 240v +/- 3% became 230v -6/+10%. 28 years later and I still see the mains voltage in the 240-250v range more often than not.


Is there a reason why European kettles are typically 2200W and UK kettles are 3000W?

European plug sockets are typically rated for 16A, secured with a matching breaker and allowing for about 3500W of power. Appliances that use the full 3500W are rare but they exist, so it is not like it is illegal. So why don't Europeans get the 3000W kettles too?

Maybe some people have 10A circuits, maybe this is a margin so that other appliances can be plugged in the same circuit, or maybe it is just more expensive.

I have noticed that most 3000W+ appliances I can buy in France are more "professional", like what you can find in commercial kitchens or in workshops, but again, it does not mean they are not sold to consumers.


> European plug sockets are typically rated for 16A, secured with a matching breaker and allowing for about 3500W of power. Appliances that use the full 3500W are rare but they exist, so it is not like it is illegal. So why don't Europeans get the 3000W kettles too?

The British plug (and ring wiring scheme) was designed for two 13A electric heaters on a single ring, so continuous load.

Meanwhile, German Schuko and the related French E plug are theoretically capable of 16A peak load, modern sockets are capable of 16A continuous load as well, but a lot of old installations and especially old sockets are rated for 10A only - so typical kettles are limited to 2200W/9.6A to leave a bit of headroom for older, more trigger-happy circuit breakers and other devices on the same circuit.


I think - I am an electrical engineer working in the offshore industry, so I have only superficial knowledge of shore-based installations - anyway, I seem to recall that the Norwegian electrical code calls for Schuko not being used to carry more than 10A continously, 16A intermittent.

However, until relatively recently, the average residential circuit was 10A, though you could get 16A if you asked for it - typically for tumble driers, washing machines and the like - so the market for appliances requiring more than 10A was quite slim.

I am sure the appliance stores didn't want to have to explain to each and every customer that the beefy kettle they had just put on the counter might not work at their house - hence, 10A appliances for all.

(Incidentally, I have a 3kW kettle I bought in the UK and a couple of 16A outlets on my kitchen counter.)


In Sweden (Schuko), 1.5 mm² wall installations are rated for up to 13 A now, but used to be 10 A. It's the wires in the walls being the bottleneck, not the connectors. Dunno why they up-rated it. Can't imagine the copper is better now than it used to be.


It is possible that the copper really is better. AFAIK, a lot of wiring that is sold today is made of high grade oxygen free copper, which, thanks to improvement in manufacturing processes, is barely more expensive than the lower grade stuff.

But even more important is the insulation. It has been consistently improved since cloth wires.


I am an electrical engineer who has to learn all those norms.

The normal eueopean "Schuko" plug is rated for 16A short term and 10A long term. Long in that context means everything above 1 hour of continous load, which should cover typical applications of water cookers.

The wall sockets are typically the same, although 16A continous variants exist and old wall sockets with bad contacts can easily heat up enough that I would avoid ever going over 10A with them if it can be avoided.


I remember discussing this during a lecture as part of my electronic engineering degree, speaking about planning for demand during half time of big football matches when everyone went and boiled the kettle at the same time.


I'm not sure what the point is you're trying to make?

I'm sure you're aware that US sockets are 110-120V. The power required by a European kettle would too often trip someone's circuit breaker in the US, especially if any other equipment were also plugged in (you usually want to stick to max 1500 W on a circuit).

Clearly the "powerful 1200 W" is in the context of equipment designed for American residential sockets -- the page is produced by an American company after all.

(Which is why Americans don't use electric kettles nearly as much as Brits/Europeans, of course.)


A heating element is basically just a resistor, right? Which means if you run one on half the design voltage it'll draw half the current it's meant to and produce ¼ the power.


Half the voltage = 2x the amperage draw, not half, if I’m not mistaken.


P = (v^2)/R. It's R that stays constant, not P.


The point is that 1200 W in the context of many of the people reading this is not a lot.


> …the kettle reaches optimal temperature very quickly — in under three minutes

That’s too long to wait for a brew.


Any amount of time feels like too long to wait for a brew ever since I got one of these:

https://www.zojirushi.com/app/category/water-boilers-warmers

(To answer the question an inquisitive reader may ask: the keep-warm setting of the model I have uses about 25-60 watts average at room temp 73degF/23degC depending on volume and selected water temp) [1, pg5]

[1]: https://www.zojirushi.com/servicesupport/manuals/manual_pdf/...


If you fill to the minimum line (0.5L) instead of the maximum (1.7L), it will boil in under 1 minute.

When buying a kettle, the most important specs are the minimum fill and wattage (ideally 1500W in the US.)


I once met the guy who owned Zip in Australia. Sold out for big $$$ apparently.

https://www.zipwater.com/for-home


Reduce the pressure! :)


I checked, across the pond (here in NL) most kettles are up to 2200, maybe 2400 W; the 3 kW ones are the "dispense instant boiling water" type things. I suspect the UK power standards are a bit more beefy, the plugs sure are.

It's probably a wide safety margin, you should be able to run an electric oven, a hob, and a kettle at the same time on a single fuse group nowadays. Or a kitchen should have separate groups.


CT is the wrong imaging tech for Moka pots at least - they're much cooler looking if you're doing neutron imaging and can see the water: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VESMU7JfVHU


Very cool, if you don't care about seeing the condensed steam this could be done with X-rays by adding Sodium metatungstate or very toxic thallium formate/malonate to the water. You could also probably replace the water with bormoform or if you don't care about destroying everything, elemental bromine.


Comment from the author on that video:

>The aluminum is easily activated and directly after the experiment it often has something in the order of 300-400uSv/h. This decays to 4-5uSv/h in about 15-20min, some hours are needed to reach inactive status <0.1uSv/h. The coffee does not become active to a degree that is worth mentioning. However, due to the risk of contamination in the controlled zone it is not allowed to eat or drink things that have been in the beam.

Yow, toasty.


I got a kick out of this passage:

> At times, Fourth Wave innovations verge into the realm of obsession, making you wonder how much real difference all of this precision makes to a cup of coffee. At the end (or beginning) of the day, coffee is a ritual. More than mere caffeine delivery, these technologies enable a multi-faceted sensory experience. Exploring the complexity of its flavors and aromas has transformed coffee from an article of consumption into an open-ended object of scientific and aesthetic experimentation.


There are certainly diminishing returns on many of the aspects coffee enthusiasts care about. But when I started experimenting with an Aeropress and some better coffee I found it interesting that there were many fundamental aspects I could easily taste. Temperature and grind settings can get very obvious quickly. And also the difference between roast levels or some kinds of coffee beans/preparation are not difficult to taste. And I don't trust myself to distinguish any of the more subtle tastes coffee enthusiasts talk about.

But once you e.g get into arguments on whether high-end grinders with conical or flat burrs are better you're far into the diminishing returns that might not survive a blind test.


I love that way of thinking about it. I wish I thought about more things as more than just the bland day-to-day they seem to be on the surface.


This site is probably one of the most clever bits of advertising since the Will It Blend folks at Blendtec


Afaict Lumafield (the company behind this) sells b2b. Seems like a very non-egregious form of advertising. I think most likely the engineers that work on this are hobbiests. Perhaps they managed to convince C-suite to let them use part of the marketing budget but I find it hard to believe a company would pay $4.5k/month for their tech because of hype and a pretty website alone

https://www.scanofthemonth.com/scans


Or the slo-mo channels on youtube for that matter.


Another company that made an indestructible product!


Incredible scans!

> Removing used coffee immediately after brewing and storing the AeroPress with the seal pushed all the way through the chamber (as shown) can help minimize wear by reducing compression to extend the gasket’s life.

But, that's not what's shown. Pushing the gasket all the way through isn't possible unless the filter head is removed.


Yeah I personally store mine with the filter head on, and the plunger/gasket inner cylinder separate. Also other protip (which may actually be in the instructions), I pour the hot water onto the gasket before pushing it into the AeroPress, so the material expands and will have a tighter seal.


Proper storage is just pulling the plunger out entirely.

Every few years, soaking the rubber seal in mineral oil overnight then cleaning will restore flexibility (otherwise it shrinks over time, reducing the quality of the seal).

Unrelated: using paper filters is less eco-responsible than the gold foil filter, but makes for better coffee.


A year's supply of paper aeropress filters weighs about 1.4 oz. This is significantly less paper than a single Monday New York Times, so if you've ever read a paper newspaper, you've eco-sinned more than drinking a year of aeropress.

Indeed, the paper is so little that I'd be really surprised if the ecological impact of mining and making that metal filter will ever be recouped.

It's a little how cotton groceries bags are so resource-intensive that you'd need to use them hundreds and hundreds of times before they're better than daily plastic bags. (Litter aside, which isn't an issue with paper filters.)


>It's a little how cotton groceries bags are so resource-intensive that you'd need to use them hundreds and hundreds of times before they're better than daily plastic bags. (Litter aside, which isn't an issue with paper filters.)

It doesn't seem unreasonable to use a cotton grocery bag hundreds of times. That's only a few years of weekly shopping trips.

Regardless, litter from improperly discarded plastic bags was the primary motivator of their regulation. It was not intended to be about resource use or carbon emissions or whatever people are focused on today.


> Unrelated: using paper filters is less eco-responsible than the gold foil filter, but makes for better coffee.

You can use the paper filters more than once too; typically I need about one or two a week (depending on which coffee and how lucky I am), meaning that one €4 350-pack filters will last for years (I just bought my first refill after 4 years, but I didn't re-use the filters for the first few months and I gave a bunch of them to a friend when he ran out).

Re-use isn't necessarily more eco-friendly by the way, because cleaning takes energy too and cost of production can be much much higher. But realistically, the eco-impact and differences are so small it's not really something to worry about.


I've never maintained or replaced the seal on mine in over ten years, and it still seals just fine. It's made from silicone rubber, which is extreme durability even when continuously exposed to temperatures above boiling or strong acids/bases. As used in the AeroPress where it's just sitting at room temperature indoors for 99% of the time, durability is at least 20 years.

I also use a metal filter, but just for the taste and convenience of not having to buy paper filters.

The eco-responsibility argument against filters I don't get. Unless you drink extreme amounts of coffee, you use significantly more paper in a day just going to the bathroom. I hope people aren't using metal foil for that as well. <insert seashell joke here>


My first one had to replaced after about 6 or 7 years. The plunger rubber had gotten worn down, and the internal wall of the brewing compartment had become blistered from hot water (I used 170-185F water). The new one with different materials seems to be holding up better.


On the eco-responsibility bit, just curious do you actually have a source that logging uses more carbon than mining?

I'm not sure but my gut would say the opposite since rocks are heavier but idk.


Why is pulling the plunger out entirely necessary for proper storage? I always just push mine all the way through so the rubber isn't under any tension.

Disagreed on the paper filters, I personally enjoy using a metal filter to ensure the oils from the coffee beans are not filtered out. I suppose it is all subjective.


That works too. I call it "proper" because it removes one step before I have coffee, which, no matter how trivial, is a big deal for me in the morning.

Interesting about the filter. I prefer super dark roast, Italian espresso-grind coffees. The paper filters give me a much smoother brew. Of course, as you say, taste is entirely subjective! I'm envious, because I'd rather have just one reusable filter rather than go through a stack of paper discs each year.


When the plunger is at the end of travel and out of tension, the cap won't fit on.

I just tried screwing on my cap and it forces the plunger back into the shaft, compressing it.


Yeah, so you just set it down cap up, not screwed in. Takes up less space than keeping the plunger separate, and is just as good on the plunger.


> Unrelated: using paper filters is less eco-responsible than the gold foil filter, but makes for better coffee.

It's also healthier, because metal filters make for oily coffee.


I switched to paper filters after using a metal one for years. Maybe the metal filter degraded over time, but it produces a thin layer of "mud" at the bottom of the cup. It's unfortunate because it leaves a bad ending to an otherwise good cup of coffee.


> "With the powerful 1200 W heating element (the thin coil wire), the kettle reaches optimal temperature very quickly — in under three minutes."

Europeans (and other countries with ~230V household sockets) would consider this quite poor performance for a kettle. 3000 W kettles are not uncommon here in the UK!


Reads like the product of a co-marketing deal:

> ... Fellow is at the top of the gooseneck game with their Stagg EKG electric kettle line. Let’s see how they manage to achieve unmatched precision in temperature control ...

FWIW, I owned a Fellow, until it failed. Now happily replaced with an OXO kettle: 1500W; much better ergonomics, at least for those with larger hands; fewer steam burns; more readable temperature display.


I'm on my second oxo kettle. The handle fell off the first one right after the warranty expired. The second one has a different handle design, but neither has a good weld. This handle will eventually fall off as well. It's a shame that Oxo doesn't sell replacement parts like Baratza does.


I have this kettle, and its selling points are: temperature control, ergonomics, and the steady, controllable flow rate. Using it is pure joy!

It reaches the desired temperature before I'm done preparing everything else (throw the beans in the grinder, pre-heat the V60, etc), so it does not matter that it can't draw 3kW.


I have a great temperature control kettle (Sage Smart Kettle) which is both fast (3kW) and reasonably precise, to within a couple of deg C.

I’ll give the Stagg EKG some credit for looking very cool, however.


Related, but not as fancily presented, the startup I’m at just scanned a coffee bean in our micro-CT that we developed. It’s especially good for low-Z (like carbon and silicon) based samples in contrast to normal X-Rays that see right through it (think x-ray images of a broken arm where the tissue is invisible).

https://exciscope.com/applications/food-and-packaging/


Awesome. I would be curious to see what the difference is between monsooned malabar and some more regularly stored beans.


Just reading the headline I was like "why X-ray them? Couldn't they just take them apart to see what's inside". But clicking on the article made me go "Oh, I get it now. This is damn interesting and very informative."

Well done!


Slight sidenote, but today I've reading about Dual-energy CT tech in airports [1], which will finally force airports to unban liquids above 100ml.

Some call the 2006 liquid explosive terror plot a failure, but it's been one of the most effective ever IMO. The economic and environmental effects [2] of the ban have been massive, likely resulting in thousands of lives lost.

[1] ECAC EDS C3

[2] At London's Heathrow Airport alone, approximately 2.2 tons of liquids, aerosols, and gels were confiscated every day in 2017.


A few days ago I accidentally put wife's beloved Bialetti Brikka pot in the dishwasher. The aluminium lost its anodized coating due to chemical reaction with the detergent (alkaline I think), and the pot turned dull/dark gray. Scrubbing the surface left some gray mark on fingers, which got me wonder if aluminium is actually safe for making coffee? Bialetti also sells stainless steel pots, and I wonder if they're safer to use.


Generally, acidic foods shouldn’t be used in conjunction with aluminum. I suspect the patina protects against this, but I wouldn’t drink the coffee until it has been re-established.

Stainless steel is always preferable from a safety POV.


Oh Lord, I hope you were forgiven..


For how much love went into the imaging and description of everything, the actual coffee knowledge is maddening.

You want your water in your Aeropress to be as close to boiling as possible if using lightly roasted beans (which I'd wager is most of Aeropress usage)! None of that 80-85 degree celsius nonsense.

Similarly, their description of ceramic burrs is bizarre. Ceramic burrs are not considered "better" than stainless steel ones! If you look into high-end grinders sold for hundreds and thousands of dollars (both commercial and "enthusiast" ones), they will all have stainless steel burrs!

And don't get me started on their description of conical vs flat burrs...


This has to be a marketing exercise by the CT machine maker, right?

"We spotted casting issues with the new pot" "We can see the density difference in the plastic" "We found aluminum shavings"

For the right audience, this would definitely sell one of those big fancy CT machines.

Not that I'm complaining -- visuals, presentation, content is all thoroughly interesting, speaking as someone with an Aeropress, a Moka. Pretty awesome piece.


Correct, it's produced as a cool nerdy promo by a CT scan machine company (https://www.scanofthemonth.com/about)

Every article from them does pretty well on HN, understandably so.


Yes, in the about us page they say it is "powered by" Lumafield.


Finally, a use for the $700K burning a hole in my pocket.


Very cool as always! If I may be pedantic about the lede:

> The history of coffee provides a rich index of global economic and cultural exchange going back thousands of years.

The history of coffee is less than 600 years old.


If I may be pedantic in return

> The history of coffee is less than 600 years old.

The history of coffee being traded internationally is around 600 years old. Coffee began being "domesticated" (more in the Graeber "play-farming" sense of the word) at least 7k years ago

Likely even longer before that given the dominance of the plant in parts of Ethiopia. Today the few "coffee forests" remaining are protected ecosystems by UNESCO


> Compared to flat burrs, conical burrs also create a more uniform particle size distribution, reducing the potential for clogs and jams

Well this is just...not true. Porlex musta sold them pretty hard on Conicals.


I've always thought that about conical burrs, but I guess I've never seen anyone actually look at them under a microscope either


> There’s also a hidden game in the Stagg EKG and Corvo EKG kettles. If you remove your kettle from the base and toggle the F/C switch back and forth, you’ll unlock a snake-like game called Wormy that you can play using the dial.

Funny, how I’m finding out about that from a CT scan of my kettle :)


They picked boring things to look at unfortunately. Not a lot going on in Moka pot that you can't grok just by looking at and taking it apart. Throwing a whole all-in-one countertop machine might be cooler.


Agree, although it was interesting seeing the porosity in the casting in the new design.


And the aluminum shavings inside the chamber...


I'd be interested in seeing a show of hands - who else generally dislikes webpages like this that use the scroll wheel to manipulate the zoom, rotation, or displayed content of an object (like a CAT scan or 3D phone model) or otherwise makes scroll behave unusually (e.g. the Opera GX website has a point where scrolling down makes a list of cards move sideways instead of actually scrolling down)?

To be clear, I like the content displayed here; it's just that the way they chose to move between views of the CAT scan are a little annoying to me.


It can be done badly, and is more often than not, but in this case I liked it.


Are there any advantages to the aluminium version of a moka pot aside from tradition/aesthetics?

I switched to one of the (Bialetti-made) stainless steel ones ("Venus" shape) because at one point I lived somewhere with an induction hob. I immaculately saw that the stainless version was considerably easier to clean. Cleaning, afterall, is half the job of using one of these.

Visually, I prefer the aluminium shape of course, but they are a real nightmare to keep clean and presumably you're drinking a lot of that aluminium oxide.


Not answering your question but Bialetti make an adaptor plate that lets you use an aluminium moka pot on an induction hob, I have one, it works well.


I know they say Aeropress switched to a better thermoplastic but I always worry about micro plastics with mine, but it is so damn easy to use though.


Aeropress announced a glass version earlier this year. Still has a rubber plunger, but no other plastics. No idea when they plan on shipping it though.


Okay pretty cool but I have to give my two cents for the text. A patina does not enhance flavour, that's basically rancid left-over coffee.

Also the plunger in the aeropress isn't pushed through and STILL compressed in the picture (as shown here). To push it all the way through the cap has to be loosened.

The scans are fascinating though :D


>There’s also a hidden game in the Stagg EKG and Corvo EKG kettles. If you remove your kettle from the base and toggle the F/C switch back and forth, you’ll unlock a snake-like game called Wormy that you can play using the dial.

It was fun to walk over to the kitchen and discover something new from a two-year-old appliance!


Is anyone here worried about pouring hot water into Aeropress plastic? I know it's polypropylene, which is BPA-Free but could there be things that we haven't properly researched yet?


If you want to avoid plastic, Hario Switch is a great alternative. It allows you to steep and release, kinda similar to AeroPress (pressure only comes from gravity though).

Cone is made of glass, stopper is from stainless steel, but the base is made of silicone. I imagine the hot water contact with the silicone will be a lot less compared to AeroPress.

If you get the size 03, you can more easily brew enough coffee for 2 people.


Heating plastics can release not just BPA but also phthalates, dioxins, and other harmful compounds which are linked to lots of nasty heath issues like hormone disruption, cancer and reproductive problems.

Polypropylene is generally considered one of the safer plastics with it's high heat tolerance meaning doesn't leach harmful chemicals. While pure polypropylene may be considered safe, additives used in the manufacturing such as colourants or fillers could have their own health risks.

Personally avoid mixing food or drinks with any heated plastics, including my coffee. I use French press for my coffee but if Aeropress is your thing and want to avoid plastic I've heard good things about the Cafelat Robot which is made almost entirely out of aluminium and stainless steel.


It drives me crazy how V60 and Chemex are regarded as “modern” when the Chemex is from the 40s and the V60 is a knock-off of the Melitta 102 conical filter system, which was invented in 1936!


The V60 isn't a knock-off of the Melitta, it's much more of rethinking and redesign of the basic concept Melitta introduced. They might look superficially similar, but if you actually use both products side by side they work quite differently.


Isn't that modern in the sense of the modern movement in design, and not modern as contemporary?


The website is beautiful expect that stupid cookie popup. Has anyone ever got any fines for not putting up cookie popup in their website?

Also, if you are into this, you might like the book:

Cut in Half: The Hidden World Inside Everyday Objects https://www.amazon.com/Cut-Half-Hidden-Everyday-Objects/dp/1...


Brave browser does some annoying things, but automatically blocking cookie popups is worth it.


There are a lot of solutions to those annoying popups, but changing your browser shouldn't be one. https://www.i-dont-care-about-cookies.eu & https://hellogoodbye.app & https://privacybadger.org


Shouldn't be the only solution one, sure. But it's still a great thing to have built in to the browser itself... and it should be built in; extensions are inherently dangerous as bad actors are known to offer to buy popular extensions in order to insert malware, sell adspace, or collect browsing data.


I thought X-rays do not pass through metal? Like it shows up opaque in clinical images. Suprised that they got a scan of the moka pot. Truly amazing stuff.


You can use a much higher dose on inanimate objects than you could on a human patient. (See, for example, airport security's ability to see inside your Macbook...)


Entire aircraft engines and rocket engines can in fact be x-rayed (google image search awaits you). Granted if you stuck your hand in there it would definitely get cooked. The power levels are much higher.

If you really want to dive down a rabbit hole, look up how they image welds on pipelines... literally inject radioactive gas between two cardboard/clay plugs and tape an xray film on the outside of the weld for an hour or two.


Metal blocks some x-rays but not all. The more x-rays you have, the more pass through. When doctors are xraying people, they use as little xrays as they need to get a good image of the fleshy bits, so metal objects appear opaque relative to that.


X-rays are used a lot in non-destructive testing for welding and also in civil engineering to look inside concrete and rebar!


The images on mobile behind the text lead to pretty low contrast between foreground and background, making the text hard to read.


Nice images. It's probably too much effort, but for the grinder it would have been interesting to compare the now rather old Porlex grinder with the much heavier steel burr grinders you'd get recommended today. Those are very noticeably heavier and more massive compared to the Porlex, could be interesting to compare.


The 'nature' page on there is just lovely; including Romanesco broccoli and pomegranate - just lovely.


I liked that page too, but did a double-take when they said that the skin of a pomegranate protects it from "predators".


Does anyone else get 406 Not Acceptable openresty error on this website?


Seems to me that a bunch of websites block IP addresses with tor relays (not exits), and they all send a `x-cluster-name: eu-west-1-prod-hosting-red` header.


Wish they'd done a commercial segafreddo or like unit.


Moka pot rubber gaskets are replaceable.


Those 4 items are a good coffee setup!


Nah, its all toys for lazy impatient kids. Real coffee needs slow and thoughtful preparation in a cezve.


Them is the fighting words considering a moka pot is there!


Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but I've never gotten anything I would consider drinkable from a moka pot.


moka pot is a type of espresso machine - a device to save time for lazy impatient kids


Reminds me of my cancer scans


can someone explain what library they use to render scan images?


The technique is called volume rendering. I'm not sure what library they specifically use but a popular one is VTK.


when those poors will never be able to afford a CT scan when they are sick...

well done.




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