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Blaming individuals when all the elements for a fire are already common place seems like we’re trying to blame someone when there is actually a systemic issue



Individuals should absolutely be blamed for starting forest fires. It’s a fourth-degree felony.


Among the largest fires in California history, four that I'm aware of were attributed to:

- Mowing a field. This was in fact illegal of itself, due to the fire hazard, but the fire (near Redding, CA) was literally started by sparking steel off rocks.

- A flat tyre. The wheel's rim ground against the tarmac, again generating sparks, which lit nearby vegetation. Also near Redding. <https://www.propublica.org/article/california-carr-wildfire-...>

- Hammering in a fence post. <https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/20/us/california-wildfires-h...>

- Power lines. Numerous instances, though the Camp Fire which devastated the town of Paradise, CA, is particularly notable.

- Lighting. Most notably the August 2020 California lightning wildfires, resulting from over 11,000 recorded lightning strikes, sparking 21 named fires, many of which were themselves mergers of numerous other fires. A total of 23 souls were lost and 3,586+ structures destroyed.

Yes, human activity (or infrastructure) does start fires, and there are times that the actions are negligent or even deliberate. But the landscape is absolutely primed to ignite, and the least spark (or massive lightning bolts) can set it off.

The problem truly is systemic.


In Montana you are financially responsible for all losses incurred due to a fire you start. Of course nobody is required to prove billions in insurance coverage before lighting up their yarn brush pile...

Fires larger than 48" diameter are generally banned in the dry season here, although that's plenty big enough to set a forest on fire. Sometimes local and federal agencies (depending on jurisdiction) ban all open fires for a while during very dry/windy conditions, and when there's already a big fire to avoid their resource becoming stretched.


Something being illegal doesn’t mean the blame for the fires to catch and spread so quickly has to go to the one who happened to be careless


The blame is for starting the fire, not everything has 3 safety belts in the world, some things just have consequences.. leading to other consequences. There is just no defense or excuse for being carless and doing super stupid things here, no. Not knowing that.. not sure.


Being careless is not what's going on in these instances though. A lot of the time, these are arsonists.


In nature, often the only missing element is a spark. People who don’t respect that situation and take precautions deserve all the blame they get.


Large fires can be started by quite hard to prevent things. We had a fire a couple of years ago that burned a bunch of houses that was started by a lightning strike on a single tree a week or more beforehand. The fire smoldered unnoticed near a popular hiking trail, inside the trunk then emerged much later when wind speed became high.


In current nature this can be blamed on incorrect maintenance or zoning and even education, not just the one who brings the spark.


systemic issues like what? the climate?

sure it's the climate, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't be careful.


Zoning, maintenance and education to name some. Around me (dry, forested part of Spain) there are almost no fires, and I think part of that is because everyone here is taught how to handle something that could ignite it during those crucial months, usually when it happens it’s because people from outside the area have no real idea of the consequences BBQ’ing during this time of year


So you arrest them if they plan to BBQ, you do checkpoints and check for BQQ gear, or you just close the area altogether if people can't behave.

If it was not solved before, it still means restrictions must be taken to avoid fires. A mistake from the past doesn't justify being lenient today.


I mean every household has a knife, but we still blame people when they knife each other.




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