Honestly, I don't care if we were a kick or not :) but saying we are "demonstrably pretty useless" is completely unfair and bordering on being a bad faith argument.

> bad faith argument

It is. That they have not replied to any of your responses shows they don't have much argument.

I mean using "factually" in this subjective opinion is just ridiculous.

> I just think it's factually much worse than the Clojure example