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It was you wonder if a foreign state adversary is influencing us to stupify our next generation. I'll keep my comments civil here but its pretty obvious who is behind this.



If it's all that obvious, you should have no problem naming who's behind this and providing evidence to support your claim, rather than merely fearmongering to no useful end.


I don't know. These "equity" arguments are indistinguishable from a deliberate attack.... the sort of attack you'd expect from a country that, having been unable to either compete with the West or conquer it, is well-known to have resorted to memetic warfare.


> I don't know.


Robert Conquest’s Third Laws of Politics:

"The simplest way to explain the behavior of any bureaucratic organization is to assume that it is controlled by a cabal of its enemies."


But you do, it sounds like. Enlighten us.


I'm not claiming to know anything. I'm just asking that those who do make such claims be a little less gnomic in their commentary, so that the rest of us can evaluate whether or not you're talking nonsense.


TIL gnomic. Thanks!

And if I knew whether or not it was nonsense, I wouldn't have prefaced the post with "I don't know." I was just suggesting that proxiful-wash's downvoted post wasn't completely out of the question.

The priors are suspicious enough: might a country that attempted to get the world to believe that the US created the HIV virus [1], successfully influenced a razor's-edge Presidential election [2], and plotted to stir up domestic racial conflict [3] try to handicap the US by originating and propagating counterproductive educational ideologies? It's certainly believable, but there's no smoking gun.

1: https://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2017/jun/14/russian...

2: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/senate-panel-finds-rus...

3: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-documents-reveal-...


You're putting "plotted to" and "successfully" to a lot of work here, on behalf of claims your sources appear at great pains not to make or even imply.

You seem to take this whole concept very seriously, so maybe you can help me understand why. Out of the idea that Russians are responsible for all of America's worst problems, what endgame do you see that actually improves our situation? What specific and relevant changes in domestic and foreign policy would you prescribe?


Out of the idea that Russians are responsible for all of America's worst problems

Translation: "A good-faith discussion is not going to happen, so let's hit the mud and see how dirty we can get."

I don't think so. Only one of us would enjoy it.


>A good-faith discussion is not going to happen

Historically speaking on western social media, making a bold claim on something as generic as American primary education being influenced by foreign powers without any real evidence does tend to go down conspiracy territory. Most conpiracy theories aren't made in good faith, no.

Also isn't particularly good faith to respond with ad-hominem when asked to prove claims, which tends to happen with conspiracy that has little/no firm evidence attached.


It's a little rich of you to plead good faith at this point, don't you think? You're not that far out over your skis with those sources by mistake; they simply do not say what you claim they say. But I am legitimately curious what endgame you have in mind here.


That would be way too spicy for this place, Bob.


Well either the US is especially vulnerable to foreign sabotage or the US is especially vulnerable to self-sabotage.

I'll let others debate over which is worse.


Demagoguery is always a constant fear for the free people.


I don't know if it's "obvious" - the United States has at least two large enemies that have the means, motive, and opportunity to do this - picking between them is difficult.

One thing's for sure, though - it's pretty unreasonable to automatically discount the possibility of foreign influence, as others in this thread are doing.




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