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As you wrote and history teach us... Violence is never solution. It always do more harm and brings more suffering. Sure, it can brings quite a lot of money for some.

I believe the true revolution is forgiveness - no matter how idealistic it sounds. It's far above any system or regime. You have always a choice.




Ask yourself what happens when people with guns go up against people without guns. Its pretty clear, if you are in the latter group and you are confronting the former, you are choosing to die, and you are failing your ancestors and descendants by ending your genetic line through choice.

If you have detente or parity (i.e. both sides can defend themselves), the choice you often have in those cases is, will you, your spouse, and your children choose to become slaves for all time. All it takes is obedient consent, will you fight for your family or choose to die instead. The societal mechanics involved don't allow a third option. Slave or Fight/Die, that is the choice.

Basically, first they come for <someone who they say has done horrible things>... then they come for <your neighbors> ... and finally they came for you and there was no one to speak against them on your behalf.

You clearly have never heard of Sophie's choice, otherwise you wouldn't have said what you did.

Its a common setup with coercion, and used by corrupt entities to coerce behavior that ultimately causes suffering. People that suffer or who are put into an unstable psychogical state are more malleable and vulnerable to certain psychological attacks and tactics designed to indoctrinate. Look up the term struggle session, and what that entails.

Saying you have a choice is extremely naively and misguided. It lacks a true understanding of how the world actually works with regards to coercion.

Here's a form of Sophie's choice. An evil person/group has captured you and is holding you and your three siblings (brother and two sisters) captive. He gives you the choice of choosing one of your siblings who will not be killed, and he will kill the rest. They are present when he says this, and he emphasizes that failure to make a choice by the time specified means he kills them all. What is your choice, you always have a choice.

Regardless of what you choose, any survivors will hate you until their dying day because you killed the others, by choice. Failing to choose one, means you chose to have all of them die, and they realize you didn't love them enough to choose; in their final moments.

Do you really always have a choice? Is a coerced choice a choice?

These are important questions which you seem to not have thought through at all. They are normally covered in an intro to philosophy course, though coercion is not touched on normally until later coursework.

Some entities are perfectly fine with killing you, chopping you up and selling your organs, or using you as slave labor, or re-educating your ideology.

Choice is an illusion, in many cases, anyone saying otherwise as a generalization is naive; misguided, and uneducated, and a danger to anyone that would potentially believe it because they are inspiring a false/limiting belief in those people that would/could persist over their lifetime or beyond (a greater evil). It negatively impacts the fitness of all future descendants as an ideological contagion, until the resulting forces of natural selection and lack of adaptability ends their line (extinction).

If you inspire a false belief, you are responsible for all the suffering and negative outcomes that arise as a result of teaching that belief to others, both directly and indirectly. This is true even if you have no intent, or knowledge of what you do; because you should have known and done research, especially after someone brought it to your attention.


Incidentally, in case it wasn't clear.

For there to be a choice, the person must accept and make a decision of their own free will with sufficient knowledge and without constraint such as coercive or malign influence.

Very few real choices actually exist these days since corruption by dependency and outright coercion robs you of your agency and choice, in an attempt to manufacture your consent which the law deems as necessary.

This occurs often without your knowledge because they don't teach this stuff in compulsory education (by design). Anytime you've simply clicked through one of those software EULAs, you've given consent but not necessarily had a choice.

I hope you re-examine those paper-thin limiting beliefs you hold.


With your statement you could justify any evil. Eye for eye, teeth for teeth. This, eventually, will never ends until a last survivor. But somehow, humans still live and coexist together. They could be even nice to each other. Until someone decide otherwise. And that is a decision I tough about.

Sophie's choice is made up situation by someone, who decided do serve the evil.

If you don't believe in humans free will, what's to point of living for you?


No, fortunately you can't justify any evil. You simply stop being good. Justification lets you off the hook. There is no justification, and more importantly this isn't consequentialism, though it seems you think it is (and that can justify any evil).

Falseness, and the teaching of false and limiting beliefs is one of the greater evils, and unlike many things its not just normative and thus can't be discounted as such because it results in actual loss at some point.

> But somehow, human's still live and coexist together.

That's purely survivor bias and our limited power to destroy each other. Organized warfare was not present until population centers outgrew their resources.

Sophie's choice is a framework, and its not made up, people have used it.

> If you don't believe in humans free will

I never said that, I said choices are very few. That's putting words in my mouth, and we're done.


> Falseness, and the teaching of false and limiting beliefs is one of the greater evils, and unlike many things its not just normative and thus can't be discounted as such because it results in actual loss at some point.

We, as humans, have limited knowledge. One could teach false that truly believe in. That is why need to accept mistakes. To be able forgive each other. We need to be open for dialogue and cultivate a common language. To move on and build something valuable. Violence broke all of this and never change mind of opponent, it makes opposite. It strengthens the conviction.




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