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> Minsk agreements were basically abandoned from the start and no one enforced them

Why would Ukraine follow Minsk when Russia won't even follow the Budapest Memorandum?.

Russia never follows agreements when it doesn't suit them and only uses them as leverage or as way to freeze conflicts for them to restart in the future.




First Minsk agreements were broken, then there was Minsk II that required Ukraine to do specific changes, like federalisation, to which Ukraine leaders agreed, but never proceeded with.

Budapest Memorandum was broken in 2022, Minsk II was in 2015. And Russia is not a side of Minsk agreements, at least not directly.


> Budapest Memorandum was broken in 2022, Minsk II was in 2015. And Russia is not a side of Minsk agreements, at least not directly.

the Budapest Memorandum was broken In 2014 when Russia first invaded.

You still haven't given me a reason why Russia gets to unilaterally break there agreements.


I didn’t say that Russia has any just reasons to break any international agreements, because it doesn’t.

However, we’re talking about Minsk II, that looked to me like a good deal for all parties involved, and I think it had the potential to bring peace to these lands first time in 20 years.


In what world is Minsk II a good deal for all parties?. It literally gave Ukraine nothing aside from "we stop killing your soldiers". It did exactly what Russia seeks to do, freeze conflicts so they can start them again.




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