You have to be 18 for GRS or 16 if you have very very long standing documented history of debilitating dysphoria. It is the same for top surgery and any other cosmetic procedures. HRT isn’t until puberty.
Kids transitioning is name, pronouns, clothes, and where they stand in boy girl boy girl lines at school.
I swear ever time I talk to people about these issues at events or whatever people will go on long rants and end with me being like yep, not only go I agree but that’s how it currently works.
Like the accommodation that trans kids/teens want with locker rooms is single person stalls so they don’t have to change in front of their classmates or awkwardly maneuver around a toilet but the rhetoric you see is completely opposite of that.
Genuinely, I am sorry and what or whoever made you feel like you were bigoted or transphobic for basically agreeing with WPATH standards.
The word "encouraged" is doing a lot of work here, in the same dogwhistle sense as the thread above.
ALLOWING a teenager desperate to bind her breasts, is not encouragement.
ACCEPTING a teenager and letting them know that this is OK - if they want it - in spite of what peers might think, is not encouragement.
This is like "Pride" all over again. "If you're born gay, and are proud of it, i should be able to say I'm proud of being straight, what's the difference?". No, we're saying "we're proud of being gay" as a response to you saying "you should be ASHAMED of being gay".
"Encouraged to transition" in almost all cases means "given the support, and resources to do so". But you are making it sound like someone is coming up to vulnerable girls and convincing them that they're trans and talking them into breast binding.
If you had said "We should not allow teenagers to (go through major body-altering procedures without significant counselling, deep psychological evaluation, and allowing them to make other life changes such as changing schools first)", we could have a reasonable discussion about harm reduction and trade-offs of being wrong, or statistics of transition regret.
But if you insist on using intentional language like categorizing all breast binding as "self-harm", then you're not really interested in having a debate are you? You've already decided what you believe, and you're going to pick the most incendiary "Won't anyone think of the children" language that only a monster would disagree with.
But that was already obvious by your casual dismissal of the term dogwhistle, which shows you have no interest in discussing reality if you think it's a concept irrelevant to this context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_whistle_(politics)
I think ultimately this is where we’re gonna have to agree to disagree because to
me, someone who works with trans people all the time, this is a gross mischaracterization of what it means to be trans. Manliness or womanliness has nothing to do with it, I know trans women who are super butch and do metalwork and know trans men who are femboys. The “wrongness” trans people feel their whole lives and the distress it causes (dysphoria) runs through to the very core. The most commonly reported age where trans people “know” is 5-6 well before they have any idea about what being a boy or girl even means.
Differentiating between “boy who is gnc” and “trans girl” is why every part of this process has multiple safeguards. And the reason why this matters and why the trans community doesn’t just say “whatever just make them wait until 18” is because going on HRT in early adolescence means they will grow up virtually indistinguishable from a cis person and get to live a much happier and safer life. What $10 pills can do at 14 costs $50-$75k or is just impossible later.
There is no way to create a vagina, which self cleans.
Claiming your opponents get their information is like people claiming you get your information from Tumblr. Which... well, 'neovaginas' - maybe you do.
You have to be 18 for GRS or 16 if you have very very long standing documented history of debilitating dysphoria. It is the same for top surgery and any other cosmetic procedures. HRT isn’t until puberty.
Kids transitioning is name, pronouns, clothes, and where they stand in boy girl boy girl lines at school.
I swear ever time I talk to people about these issues at events or whatever people will go on long rants and end with me being like yep, not only go I agree but that’s how it currently works.
Like the accommodation that trans kids/teens want with locker rooms is single person stalls so they don’t have to change in front of their classmates or awkwardly maneuver around a toilet but the rhetoric you see is completely opposite of that.
Genuinely, I am sorry and what or whoever made you feel like you were bigoted or transphobic for basically agreeing with WPATH standards.