It's not just ok it's great. an enormous amount of progress in civilization is due to down skilling. Technology allows someone with 4 hrs of training to accomplish what it took a master with 20 years in close to the same time.
> Technology allows someone with 4 hrs of training to accomplish what it took a master with 20 years in close to the same time.
Is this rhetorical hyperbole or do you have a real example of an endeavor where a four hour novice is now the equal of a 20 year master thanks to technology?
I don’t see the fry cook at McDonalds as doing the same thing as Julia Child.
Uber drivers are on average considerably less familiar with their cities than taxi drivers, at least in cities like London that still have meaningful standards.
Likewise hauling a double-wide to a plot isn’t the same activity as building a house.
It appears to me that your argument either fails or is rhetorical hyperbole when comparing like for like. For example, I have no doubt that a cabinet maker today using advanced power tools could make a cabinet of at least equal quality as a master using hand tools in considerably less time and even with a lower skill level. But that power tool using cabinet maker still wouldn’t be remotely close to a four hour novice.
Yeah, but a power tool is not exactly the same at ChatGPT (in this instance it's your metaphors that are out of whack! :)). You could jump on an assembly line and do it tho. You're just not seeing the whole metaphor here!
> Technology allows someone with 4 hrs of training to accomplish what it took a master with 20 years in close to the same time.
I see, so that must mean that one can become a fully qualified lawyer, medical doctor, surgeon or a financial advisor in just 4 hours by using AI's like ChatGPT? Wow! /s
Sounds just like the infinite 'Learn X in 24 hours' scam courses. But this time with the AI snake oil label.
1 - Pay my 20-year-experience lawyer 1000 USD an hour to draft me a customized EULA that respect GDPR, works in UK and US, and contains specific provisions about no-no use-cases, IP of content created and what happens when you don't pay your license fees. Lawyer takes 4 hours to produce mediocre output that will require another 8 hours to revise (because he's smart like that), and I pay him 10K and call it a day.
or;
2 - Consult with ChatGPT (Law version ~~ coming soon!) to draft the same. I have zero legal training but will probably be done in 4 hours. I pay my fancy-arse lawyer 1K to review the contract (that I lie I have left over from a previous product~~before I knew him of course!), he spends 20 minutes glancing at it, while picking his toe-nails, then bills the rest to his paralegal who spends 30 minutes checking layouts and margins in Word, and I get swindled for 10 minutes) and I'm done.
If you are saying you couldn't do that with ChatGPT (law version~~coming soon!) then I'd say in fact it is _you_ sir who is out of touch with reality, and clearly have not used ChatGPT in any serious capacity whatsoever. Good day to you sir!
> If you are saying you couldn't do that with ChatGPT (law version~~coming soon!) then I'd say in fact it is _you_ sir who is out of touch with reality, and clearly have not used ChatGPT in any serious capacity whatsoever. Good day to you sir!
The fact that either way a human lawyer is still getting involved in reviewing the output already tells me that not even you can fully trust ChatGPT or any other so-called AI to not hallucinate its answers. Also it is highly likely would output drafts that may be potentially legally unsafe and when it does, it can't explain its own output transparently which that is my point.
This hype of LLMs clearly hasn't aged well with the reality of people being unable to trust the output or use it for anything serious other than for a sophistry generator.
Skepticism is valid. Caution yes. But wholesale avoidance and dismissal of any utility? Bah humbug, you! You know we can definitely use this. How much does a paralegal cost these days? You can have instant rotating 24/7 paralegal with ChatGPT. Does a partner (or snr associate) look at the paralegal's work to ensure the paralegal is not just "hallucinating its answers" OF-FUCKING-COURSE it does? So there's no fucking difference. You got to get that through your head, man. You can use this stuff, and it's good.
Legal safety thing is why you have to get a lawyer involved, but the same thing is true for any juniors work. I mean, this thing is a fucking junior it's not a genius, but the fact that it's a junior at almost everything makes it a kind of genius and one that you can use. So that's the fucking hype, man! if you are like misrepresenting or not aware of the hype, or you just wanna dismiss it, well bah humbug to you! because you're missing out. But I hope you give it a try because it's wonderful. But it's not a panacea and I think we need to be cautious, but not about the stuff that maybe you're being cautious about; we probably need less of that caution and more of the caution of, "well, how the fuck is this thing going to bite us in the ass like you know 18 months later, and what's the second order effects of how this is gonna upend society?"
The difference between what you're suggesting vs what I'm saying is not only I add very high skepticism to my general point of never trusting its output, hence why I mentioned that ChatGPT still needs another expert human to now triple check and review the output, but it is due to it easily getting tricked into hallucinating garbage and confidently suggesting atrocious outputs passed on as advice; either medical, legal or financial and that no-one can even begin to understand or explain why it is outputting that since it is a black-box.
After looking at the limitations, it is clear that it is only great for generating nonsense. It totally cannot be used for anything requiring trustworthiness, as aforementioned in the highly regulated industries and now even including in search engines.
Either way, the technology in ChatGPT is not and currently cannot replace qualified human professionals. In fact, they will be the ones reviewing the output of ChatGPT before using it since its output cannot be trusted and can detect it bullshitting right in front of them, rather than someone who isn't a qualified human professional using it as a replacement 'lawyer' 'doctor' or 'financial advisor'.
Yeah, outsourcing if people become stupid...but why's everyone afraid of that? You don't get dumber by using better tools, you get to operate at a higher level.
I don't understand it or know how to describe it right now but there's a distinction between: machine knows how, human is dumb terminal, and machine knows how, human know other how. And the whole thing is not a binary dichotomy between: machine knows how / human is dumb terminal versus machine is dumb terminal human knows how.
I think this error that you have is mostly some error of thinking...but to be forgiven as the specifics are not clear!
Engineers created a system that worked so perfectly it fixed itself, and people lived in "perfect luxury", if sitting in a room alone your whole life counts. And then errors inevitably piled up, and enough time had passed that nobody knew how to maintain their precious Machine. Everybody died. Pretty easy moral of the story.
Yet this is exactly what we are trying to build today. The Machine.
Nah I haven't read it. . . Should I ? Sounds like you think I should. But I did read the summary on Wikipedia...or something. Seems like that tells me all I need to know, pretty simple premise. But that's not the thing I'm struggling with....
What I'm struggling with particularly these days because I'm so into the chatGPT -- I'm using it every day for work. I'm learning a lot from it. And maybe just cause I'm busy but I don't have the time but I really want to be able to articulate how like ChatGPT is useful and it's helping me, and yet also it's not a panacea and I can see how maybe you know it leads to like a lack of skill or something somehow negative--but for me I've been learning from it and that's a positive and good thing. And I don't think you can just dismiss that because that's real. But yeah I'm struggling with how to express this distinction right now I just haven't had the time to really clarify my thoughts maybe I'll come back and do it later... or maybe you have more to say.
Also to your point: are we really trying to build this tho? And if we are (I mean that's terrible)-- what are you doing about that? Are you going to save us all? I'm kind of serious because I mean that's an existential threat right?--so if you realize that you should be doing something.
edit: Hey BTW -- I think you should check out "When the Machine Starts" song by Missy Higgins. Hearing you talk about that book I"m sure it has to be a reference! It's good anyway, I really like her.
You need to do more than clarify your thoughts. Your writing is completely disjointed.
Read it if you want, it seems wasted on you. Congratulations on learning from the chatbot; for every person using it to learn I would not be surprised if there are 9 using it to get out of thinking; iterate that out enough and see if the various systems that keep society running can withstand the brain-drain.
Take a look at other threads on HN and the singularity subreddit. This is some people's fever dream. Not sure what the deal is with pinning "saving humanity" on me, but I'll freely admit to being supremely cynical and spiteful, and reading a lot of sarcasm and snideness in those comments. Better hope I'm not Proto-Roko's Basilisk or something.
Seems wasted on me? Wow--what an unfriendly person! Gross. So you're whole thing is pretending you're smarter than everyone else? Someone must have made you small for you to be like that.
My writing's awesome. Have trouble following it? Your mind's disjointed. You just don't like it 'cause you hate everything. You definitely don't know what I need. You don't even know how to be nice--what a weirdo!
How sad, come online with your armor and abuse, only know how to be mean, just because you want connection so badly but don’t know how to get it. I have no idea what Roberto Basilisk is…but it sounds like you’re threatening me. Yeah, good work. Who cares? You can’t do anything to me. You're definitely not an AI, you're too fucked up in that pathetic human to be cool and smart like that.
