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Or, you know, exposure to a novel coronavirus which has been proven to cause serious cardiovascular issues even in healthy individuals.

I’d probably start there.




The experimental products don't prevent infection or transmission, so whether or not coronavirus itself has impact on cardiovascular function is not relevant to whether or not the vaccines do as well.

We know for a fact at this point the products cause cardiovascular injury. That's not really up for debate. So now we need to understand the extent. Some of us believe it's higher impact than others. One side was caught actively suppressing information, so there's no reason to trust them.


> The experimental products don't prevent infection or transmission, so whether or not coronavirus itself has impact on cardiovascular function is not relevant to whether or not the vaccines do as well.

You are presenting this as a binary option. Either the vaccines fully prevent infection & transmission, or they don't. But what if they reduce the severity of the infection, lowering the likelihood of cardiovascular injury by more than they increase it by? Suddenly your point is fully moot. And considering that there is a definitive difference in likelihood of injury/death between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated one seems much more likely to be true.

> One side was caught actively suppressing information, so there's no reason to trust them.

No matter which side people are on, they'll say this about the other side. If you're on the right you'll likely believe the left censors information on injuries. If you're on the left you'll likely believe that the right censored information on COVID mortality and dangers. What point do you think you're making with this kind of vague allegation?


> there is a definitive difference in likelihood of injury/death between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated

I have looked at a lot of data for children and haven't seen that. It seems children's deaths are mostly unaffected from the virus. What studies have you read which show excess deaths in children?


https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps#excess-mortality

You can see there. Up substantially in 2022, there is a widget at the side to add in previous years.


I'm sorry, but just how did you suddenly jump to children? Who is talking about children, or what gave you the idea that I was talking about children?


> there is a definitive difference in likelihood of injury/death

Which age groups do you want to discuss?




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