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> The goal should be to eat HUMANE meat if you want to eat meat but can't for ethical reasons.

To a lot of us, it will never be considered humane to kill something that is perfectly healthy for no other reason than that we want to eat something that tastes a certain way.

> When I was a kid, my gram grams in Ukraine treated our animals like family members

Think about this for a minute.




This is called "sustenance". They are not your pets. You treat the animals well because they literally feed you through the cold months. People don't understand that in many parts of the world not eating meat is a huge luxury.


That's a big goalpost shift. You went from "treat animals like family members" to "some people need meat to survive" those are entirely different arguments.


You didn't make an argument from the perspective of needing to eat meat to survive though, did you?




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