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You mean like the native Americans? Pretty sure that's still the largest scale, most drawn out genocide in the entire history of our species.



If you know of any Native Americans currently being genocided, please do call someone about it.

Unless you are suggesting that because of some previous genocide we should ignore an ongoing one?


modern day native american healthcare inequities are the end of a long running genocidal effort


Just to be clear, you are comparing the active sterilization of Muslims in camps to.. healthcare being less available in rural indigeonous areas?


I don't follow. I was responding to

> If you know of any Native Americans currently being genocided, please do call someone about it.

it seemed to imply that the native american genocide was over. maybe not, I probably missed context earlier up thread. I was disagreeing with that statement.

yes of course I agree that the active sterilization / genocide / cleansing of Uighur Muslims in China exists and is a human rights violation and should be stopped. I'm not going to compare its magnitude to the native american one because one is centuries-old and ongoing and one has been going on for several years (maybe longer, I have not studied it) and both are bad. hope that answers your question.


The claims of sterilization, genocide and cleansing are largely propaganda.

This propaganda takes a kernel of truth (China began enforcing the 3-child policy on Uyghurs, who were previously exempt - the policy previously only applied to the Han majority), and distorts it beyond all recognition (China is sterilizing all the Uyghurs).

Given the public's utter lack of knowledge about China in the US and Europe, it's easy to sell this sort propaganda.

It would be so much easier to discuss the actual issues (such as China's harsh crackdown on separatism in Xinjiang) if the US government were not so shamelessly distorting them for political reasons. One almost finds oneself having to defend the Chinese government, because the US government has so little compunction about pushing big lies like the "Uyghur genocide." China did use heavy police measures and political indoctrination to go after people it suspects of supporting separatism. No, it's not trying to wipe out the Uyghurs (or to do anything even remotely like that).


Lakota checking in to tell you that a basic reading of history would confirm that you’re pretty wrong.

Please don’t what-about the Uyghurs to Native American history because it’s disrespectful both ways, and minimizes their suffering. For all the conflict with Europeans, our historical experiences with them, painful as they may have been and remain, were much more nuanced and complicated than what is happening in China. I have also never met anyone native who thinks of our history as a genocide, and I’m involved in tribal politics.

Honestly even calling our history a genocide is a dramatic simplification that removes our agency (all too common in non-native takes). We fought back and won some things, lost others. That’s not something you can say about victims of genocide.


> Lakota

Lakota who?

A few thousand or ten thousand 'native americans' who are considered native american if they have 1/30 native american blood?

...

sheeeshhh...


despite not wanting to discount your lived experience, I am more inclined to believe settler colonialist theory (drawing on work from trained scholars, both indigenous and not) which suggest that European settlement did lead to what was in fact genocide.


I think once manifest destiny and the American Indian wars started, a case could be made. Indian removal[0] at the very least seems like ethnic cleansing, and there are plenty of accounts of wholesale massacres of natives by European settlers and soldiers.

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_removal




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