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> Indeed, in the 2012/13 year the Foundation budgeted for $1.9m to provide all its free information on tap.

To be fair to Wikipedia here, quoting a nearly ten year old figure and comparing it to current earnings in order to prove that their required expenses are low is not that honest.




Your comment is quite dishonest and not considering the whole context.

> After a decade of professional fund-raising, it has now amassed $400 million of cash as of March

> “WMF has operated in the past without staffing and with very minimal staffing, so clearly it’s _possible_ to host a high traffic website on an absolute shoestring,”

> He put the running costs at $10 million a year. Being generous, as some costs fall every year, let’s double that. Wikipedia can operate quite comfortably with the cash it has already, without running another banner ad, for twenty years.

> So where does the money go? Not on the people doing the actual work on the site, of course.

> Foundation lists 550 employees. Top tier managers earn between $300,000 and $400,000 a year, and dozens are employed exclusively on fund-raising

etc.


Costs don't increase by a factor of 50 in ten years.

Note I made the same argument in Wikipedia's community newspaper:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2...

Read the comments from Wikipedians underneath. No one claimed it was a dishonest argument to make.


They don't? Why not? Have the unique users peaked? Are people accessing it less?

I'm pretty happy to wager real money that Wikipedia has had to scale significantly in the last ten years.

But, hey, if you've got evidence to the contrary, I'll happily read it.


It's not about usage going up. It's about the cost of usage going up v the cost of operations going down.

As an example, if we are to trust this site (https://jcmit.net/diskprice.htm), a 2TB HDD was sold for about 160 dollars in 2012. You can purchase 8TB for 130 dollars now.

From this wikipedia article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Statistics) we can see the amount of English articles has about doubled since then. Chances are that storage costs have not only not gone up, they have gone down.


> a 2TB HDD was sold for about 160 dollars

As far as I can see, the text of Wikipedia is about 10GB. I don't know how much space the images occupy, but if we assume they take up roughly the same space, then a single 2TB disk would accomodate 1,000 Wikipedias.

This isn't about the cost of disk storage.


Totally agreed that the cost isn't really storage, but I wanted to point out that you're underestimating a fair bit on the size. Conveniently, there's a wikipedia article about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Size_of_Wikipedia

"As of 21 September 2022, the size of the current version of all articles compressed is about 21.23 GB without media."

(Note that's gzipped, so the actual size is much higher in-use.)

Media is, of course, vastly larger. Sadly, the last number given was from 2014, so I'd expect it to have increased massively since then:

"The size of the media files in Wikimedia Commons, which includes the images, videos and other media used across all the language-specific Wikipedias was described as well over 23 TB near the end of 2014"


> (Note that's gzipped, so the actual size is much higher in-use.)

OK; I did a quick dig to see how big Wikipedia is, but you've dug deeper.

You can still stick the whole English Wikipedia on a single disk, probably with all linked media (I suspect that a lot of what's on Wikimedia isn't linked from Wikipedia articles). So the main cost issue is serving content to the network; and there are lots of server farms that would cheerfully do that for the love.


No doubt they have had to scale significantly.

… But have they had to scale to a degree commensurate with the amount of money they are spending? Absolutely not. The "Wikipedia has cancer" article makes that point handily.


How do you know? If you've run the numbers from their financial statements, I'm keen to see your analysis.


The 21-22 annual plan [1] just shows "Technical Infrastructure" as 23.8% of "Programmatic", which is 76% of the budget, so 23.8% * 76% = 18%, or $27m.

"Technical Infrastructure" includes "all the engineering and technology" though. I'm not sure if a breakdown which includes server costs is available? I remember it being a pretty small piece of previous budgets.

[1] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/Wikimedi...


Internet hosting costs have long been stable at about $2.5 million. You'll find them on page 5 of the following pdf (the page is numbered 3 and headed "Consolidated Statements of Activities"):

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/1/1e/Wikim...

Annual revenue was $163 million. Of course hosting costs alone don't cover the entire outlay, but Wikimedia's budget and money demands have absolutely exploded in recent years.




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