There's probably some element of this as well. My point is that we've got lots of "deniers, bla bla" type comments that seem to want to focus on looking down on others (how could they be so ignorant in light of this grape harvest data) instead of realizing that what people are opposed to are the "solutions" being proposed that somehow nicely also promote some kind of political world view. Take the politics out of the equation, and "deniers" are not going to care about the minutia of grape harvests or ice cores.

Or instead I guess we can just keep congratulating ourselves on how airtight the case for AGW is and mocking "deniers", hoping one day we get the political tools to ignore their concerns.

Anyway, I'm happy to be reminded of why i stopped posting here.