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> Every single app creator out there will now want their own "app store" and it's going to be a mess.

This is such an oft-repeated argument, yet overlooks that Android already allows sideloading and alternative app stores. If everyone-creating-their-own-app-store hasn't happened on Android, why would iOS be different?




Here in China there is like 800 app stores for Android.


Isn't the Play Store blocked in China? Seems like that would be the main reason for the proliferation of alternatives.


Full devils advocate here, but the argument I've always heard is that the play store is a lot less arbitrary and restrictive than the App Store, so there's less reason to want to go outside of it.

Apple locks out so many useful kinds of software that there actually may be enough momentum for real alternate app stores to proliferate.


Apple locks out so many useful kinds of software

For someone who doesn't have a personal Android phone, what useful software is out there that I can get on an iPhone?

Related: What mass-market software is out there that isn't available on the iPhone? I don't mean *nix tools and niche game emulators. Things that would make many people actually care about alt stores?


- Web browsers with ad-blocking and plug-ins (Apple currently requires all web browsers to use system Webkit with very limited APIs).

- Game cloud streaming services (xCloud, Stadia, GeForce Now).

- Unofficial clients for websites such as YouTube that add features that official client doesn't have.

- Tools to disable advertisements in applications.

- Programs licensed under GPL as Apple App Store bans those.


> Unofficial clients for websites such as YouTube that add features that official client doesn't have.

I'm sure Google can send a cease-and-desist to all sorts of other stores instead of just Apple.

> Tools to disable advertisements in applications.

This would be breaking the sandbox model of the system, I don't think the regulation requires dismantling system security

> Programs licensed under GPL as Apple App Store bans those.

No such rule. VLC on App Store is the first example that comes to mind. There are also GPLv2 components (such as WebKit) shipping in iOS itself.

The FSF has said there are (IMHO bureaucratic) issues with GPL on an App Store, specifically that e.g. Apple takes on certain responsibilities, rather than the developer.

For that reason, it's possible a contributor may shoot down publication, which IIRC caused VLC to have to rewrite certain components before launch.


> I'm sure Google can send a cease-and-desist to all sorts of other stores instead of just Apple.

Google may dislike those applications and refuse to host them on Google Play, but they aren't doing anything illegal, so they cannot do anything about programs like https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.schabi.newpipe/ on other stores.

> This would be breaking the sandbox model of the system, I don't think the regulation requires dismantling system security

I don't think it is breaking the sandbox, it could be implemented using NEAppProxyProvider, however this particular API is not available for App Store applications.

> Programs licensed under GPL as Apple App Store bans those.

iPhone version of VLC is licensed under MPL2 specifically for that reason. WebKit is LGPL2.1.


Also, torrent clients, anything that could perhaps be used for piracy, anything even just very slightly pornographic or considered that by Apple.


> For someone who doesn't have a personal Android phone, what useful software is out there that I can get on an iPhone?

A web browser that isn't a hamstrung reskin of Safari, and that can run uBlock Origin.


You do understand that uBlock Origin has private, profit-generating relationships with advertisers.

And you want them to have full access to every URL that you visit ?

Rather than use AdGuard or any other ad-blocker that can't go and sell your data to third parties for money.


1) Completely false for uBlock Origin; zero relationship

2) It's fully open-source so the above is verifiable

3) AdGuard and every single other (proprietary) adblocker for Mac and iOS includes content blockers, but also includes web extensions that request access to "all web page contents", including credit card numbers you type in, allegedly for the purposes of custom element blocking etc. (not open source, we can't check). Try installing it and see. Apple still allows web extensions that have complete access to all webpage contents (which is necessary for many legit extensions), they just block specific WebExtensions APIs that uBlock Origin requires. Literally zero benefit to privacy whatsoever, yet everyone buys the BS.


That's uBlock you were thinking about, which is owned by AdBlock. I'm 98.9% certain that Raymond Gorhill's project which I can build from source and install is not doing that.


And Gorhill / uBlock Origin doesn't even maintain the block lists (but does ship with a default selection).


> You do understand that uBlock Origin has private, profit-generating relationships with advertisers.

That's uBlock without Origin. Careful where you download your ad blockers from.

Edit: I'd also love a DaisyDisk that works on iOS. It will never get permission to get on the app store. Of course, that kind of app IS a huge security issue so I'd be very careful where I get it from.


In addition to everything the others mentioned already, anything that's not a web browser that might at some point show NSFW content. Applications like Discord and Tumblr been forced to make ux-degrading changes to comply with this Victorian-era prudishness.

(and before you mention an application you know of that doesn't have this problem, remember that Apple's enforcement and reading of the rules compares unfavorably with nuclear particle decay)


Yeah, if as a consequence what you can do iOS/Mac OS stops being censored according to US puritan values, that would be a plus.


Haha speaking of Apple stuff being Disney-ified, my phone stopped charging wirelessly. The solution to that is to restart it, but Apple hid that option under 3 layers of menus and I can never find it, so I asked Siri to "turn off this f--ing phone". She said "That's not nice" and did not turn off the phone.


No uBlock Origin for one.


The Pornhub app


Call recorders.


I have never, in 15 years on iOS, run into a single "kind of software" that Apple has supposedly "locked out" that I actually wanted or needed.


Your needs are limited and "anecdote" is not the plural form of "data".


The Play Store, as a system app, gets special privileges that user-sideloaded appstores don't, like automatic updates.


"...hasn't happened on Android...", except it did but mostly in Asia. Not to mention the manufacturer-exclusive appstores.


Counter argument: The millions of different game launchers on Windows. What a complete and utter mess.


And it would be better if Microsoft had total control over what you're allowed to run? Give them that power in 1990, and the web never exists outside of a research project.


Now imagine there's a single game launcher, and that's the built-in Xbox app. Games that aren't approved by Microsoft don't get published.

I'll take the current arrangement any day of the week, thank you.


And we would never have all the innovations in the market that Steam has brought to us if windows only allowed game installs through some Microsoft Games Market. Are you saying that would be preferable?


You mean like twelve and most of the games with custom launchers are still on Steam?


That doesn't apply. You are forced to use the different launchers if you want certain games


Millions? Cite them.




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