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Dr Who is a good example. There has always been a message in the shows but the story took precedence. Now the message takes precedence and the story and show suffers. It's unwatchable even with the audio muted!

Terry Pratchett's work is a good example of progressive ideas told so well that the story is all that anyone cares about.




>Dr Who is a good example.

I'm actually a bit sad about Doctor Who, I've not watched it since the Capaldi era which really wound me up because he's a fantastic actor who was dealt a crap hand with crappy scripts that have crawled entirely up their own arse.


He also had some of the best scripts (and episodes) of the entire modern era: Heaven Sent, Hell Bent, World and Enough Time / Doctor Falls, Listen.

I stopped watching early into his run but came back when I heard about some of those great episodes. They really are good.


Yes, Capaldi should have been a great doctor, but the scripts... This is also when I stopped watching.


I totally agree. There were glimpses of Capaldi just chewing through the script. It was amazing. Then it would just derail and become odd.


I made it through Capaldi and a season of Whitiker before quitting. How can a show keep hiring such talented actors and wasting them with such consistently garbage material? No wonder they're talking about rebooting the whole thing.


Showrunner Chris Chibnall decided that instead of hiring experienced sci fi writers he'd hire friends of his who mostly wrote political plays.

Political plays are basically the lowest form of writing -- they just attack straw-men for an ideologically friendly audience.


Thing is, the writing wasn't much better even before Chibnall.


>>No wonder they're talking about rebooting the whole thing.

I am pretty sure to most fans the current era is the "reboot", and they would prefer them to go back to just before Capaldi era, start from their and pretend Capaldi/Whitiker era shows where another universe.


To me, the show's nature completely changed when Stephen Moffat took over. I really enjoyed the Ponds' story arc, but it felt like Moffat had just thrown out all of the other characters and stories that I'd grown to love before the 11th Doctor showed up. The monster-of-the-week show with the occasional through-line had become (for better or worse) a show about a multi-episode, multi-season plot. It was almost a new, different show with the same basic premise.

And then Clara came along. It's kind of like how Capaldi and Whittaker went; Jenna Coleman seems like a pretty good actress given a vacuous role. Even the character started out as an interesting twist with lots of potential for good story telling, but it seemed like Moffat couldn't quite figure out what he wanted to do with her but couldn't let her go, either. I don't remember exactly how long she was the primary companion, but it felt like an eternity (and I guess in canon, it sort of was).


Moffat wrote some of the best episodes of the Davies era. It felt like when he was put in charge of whole seasons, he applied his same writing technique to the larger scale of whole seasons. Which resulted in each individual episode being too sparse.


My viewership of the series declined after Amy Pond as well.... there was something missing


Russell Davies may have some kind of tricks like that up his sleeve by bringing David Tennant and Catherine Tate back for a bit.


They're currently re-recording all of the Discworld audiobooks. The first batch arrives next month. I'm excited to revisit the Discworld!


>Terry Pratchett's work is a good example of progressive ideas For their day, sure. If told today, the humanising of, and sympathy with, police would get him removed from "polite" circles as surely as the creator of a wizarding franchise.




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