>People act in the way you object to because others have politicized their existence
I didn't mix up the order of the two :
>>some people reject your existence, and in response you politicise your whole existence
is saying the same thing as
>Refusing to be quiet about who they are is a response to people trying to erase them, both culturally and violently.
>The first one was a riot kicked off by cops invading a space that was exactly as quiet as you would have preferred. Now we march and get in your face so you'll notice when someone tries to get rid of us.
So you mean to say that the identity obsession lgbt people seem to have is just a bizarre distress mechanism so that people constantly notice them and come to their help if somebody tries to be violent with them ? Can this possibly backfire when your presence become so invasive and annoying that you flip me from the [not caring whether you exist or not] state to the [actively wishing you don't exist] state ? Can you not see how a lot of people in the second state would bring about the very outcome you fear ?
Does your culture tell the story of The Boy Who Cried Wolf ?
In this allegory, the wolves are here, they've been here, and they keep coming. Nazis put people like me in the camps. The "good guys" left people like me there. The famous book burning photo everyone, including people who hate people like me, loves to post in relation to free speech was substantially the books of an era equivalent queer center.
Pride is about making you aware of this. The threat is real, and it's here. Now. There's a volley of legislative attacks on people like me at this very moment right here in the US. It follows a brief lull after a string of attacks on access to public life.
>In this allegory, the wolves are here, they've been here
You assert this, then you proceed to describe the events of more than 75 years ago. Where exactly, in the countries you're allowed to hold pride parades today, are the nazis who want you in camps and prisons ? and how is obnoxiosly parading in the streets while wearing half-naked customs preventing those nazis from achieving what they want ?
If you mean by the nazis the countries that still imprison and persecute lgbt people today, how is holding pride parades outside their borders putting pressure on them ? if anything, it's even more justification for their actions ("See what these people do when they win ? Do not let them win at all costs").
Do you have any reason to believe that holding pride parades significantly, and positvely, affect the state of lgbt people anywhere ?
>There's a volley of legislative attacks on people like me at this very moment right here in the US
Is this another deadend conversation about how parents not wanting their children to hear about your sex life an attack on you ? Because it's not, and if you're going to argue otherwise then let us please end the conversation right here. Because I'm tired of explaining to lgbt folks that lack of visibility won't kill them, and that people have the choice not to accept your identity let alone to teach it to their children.
You're only owed 1 thing : Tolerance. The only obligation society has toward you when it comes to your identity is to not kill, imprison or otherwise materially harm you because of it, provided it doesn't involve breaking any laws. Society is not obligated to praise your identity. Society is not obligated to teach your identity to children. Society is not obligated to force people to let you in their life or into their businesses or into their children's public school curricula.
If you can't agree to that, then you don't respect people's choices and therefore yours don't deserve to be respected as well.
>>In this allegory, the wolves are here, they've been here
>You assert this, then you proceed to describe the events of more than 75 years ago. Where exactly, in the countries you're allowed to hold pride parades today, are the nazis who want you in camps and prisons ?
Gay bashings, murders, and targeted arrests are more recent examples. Then there’s the millions who died of AIDS while authorities twiddled their thumbs. And to top it off, throw in the social ostracism, the chance of being outed at work (fired), and a sky high suicide rate for a clearer picture.
So, no. The community has not faced any literal Nazis in the past 75 years. But, they have faced just about everything short of that.
This is not far off history. This has all occurred in my lifetime. Some of it still goes on today. Pulse Nightclub was just five years ago.
I didn't mix up the order of the two :
>>some people reject your existence, and in response you politicise your whole existence
is saying the same thing as
>Refusing to be quiet about who they are is a response to people trying to erase them, both culturally and violently.
>The first one was a riot kicked off by cops invading a space that was exactly as quiet as you would have preferred. Now we march and get in your face so you'll notice when someone tries to get rid of us.
So you mean to say that the identity obsession lgbt people seem to have is just a bizarre distress mechanism so that people constantly notice them and come to their help if somebody tries to be violent with them ? Can this possibly backfire when your presence become so invasive and annoying that you flip me from the [not caring whether you exist or not] state to the [actively wishing you don't exist] state ? Can you not see how a lot of people in the second state would bring about the very outcome you fear ?
Does your culture tell the story of The Boy Who Cried Wolf ?