I think if it wants to be taken seriously as a good force in advancement of the web, google does have to be aboveboard with its involvement in TC39 and put in significant effort there. Maybe they really should have put in more effort to pushing strawmen through (I wasn't paying enough attention a year ago to comment on that).
But are you suggesting that particular people at google should have been (forced to be?) more involved in TC39 efforts? I don't think you can force that (and someone like Lars Bak would probably just leave if he didn't want to do it). There are lots of language experts out there that are working on their pet compiler instead of helping with the next coffeescript variant. That's not an evil, it's just a missed opportunity (and the reality of trying to get good people involved with a standards process).
I think that your better argument is that an open Dart repository from the start could have fed ideas back into TC39 process, but the problems you mention didn't suffer from lack of knowledge about them, just champions for strawman solutions. That is, again, not a job that most relish.
> We did hear a dire warning from one Google rep in May 2010 that if two of these proposals were not promoted to Harmony status, JS "would be replaced!"
"Unnamed sources at Google suggest gmail actually runs on the blood of orphans, kittens." What are you, a Techcrunch guest columnist? Give a name or don't bring it up.
You seem scandalized by the idea that an employer might force employees to work on standards (or anything else per typical work-for-hire contracts).
That is not unusual. It's dog-bites-man.
What's going on is unusual, in my experience.
Google is forcing people it employs off of tc39 work. I will not say whom, since I was told in confidence. Three people at least. This casts a different light on the Dash memo's serve-two-masters glibness, and on Alex Russell's recent blog post.
But are you suggesting that particular people at google should have been (forced to be?) more involved in TC39 efforts? I don't think you can force that (and someone like Lars Bak would probably just leave if he didn't want to do it). There are lots of language experts out there that are working on their pet compiler instead of helping with the next coffeescript variant. That's not an evil, it's just a missed opportunity (and the reality of trying to get good people involved with a standards process).
I think that your better argument is that an open Dart repository from the start could have fed ideas back into TC39 process, but the problems you mention didn't suffer from lack of knowledge about them, just champions for strawman solutions. That is, again, not a job that most relish.
> We did hear a dire warning from one Google rep in May 2010 that if two of these proposals were not promoted to Harmony status, JS "would be replaced!"
"Unnamed sources at Google suggest gmail actually runs on the blood of orphans, kittens." What are you, a Techcrunch guest columnist? Give a name or don't bring it up.