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I always wondered if these parents raising test ninjas are doing their kids favors. We have google now. I don't need to know the capital of Ukraine - I can just google it. STEM is great to study, but most of the academics in it after 8th grade are not particularity useful. I still haven't been asked to solve a differential equation at work. I have never been asked what school I went to during an interview (i wished they cared).

Build a raseberry pi robot with a friend, start a club with friends, figure out how to build a fort in a tree, sell lemonade, build a website with friends, find out what you like to do <- I feel like these will be more important job skills compared to memorizing Boyle's law [ a relation concerning the compression and expansion of a gas at constant temperature 1662 ].

You will have decades of sitting, staring at broken SPA apps - smelling someone cook fish in a microwave. You will never get that 3rd grade summer back.




> I still haven't been asked to solve a differential equation at work.

I wish this trope would go somewhere to die. First, university level education is catering to a variety of outcomes. Some people in your class have gone on to use differential equations. If not explicitly, at least in understanding how capacitors and inductors introduce periodicity to the circuit. More importantly, the people that are doing research and advancing new technology do have to use these tools. In my view, at the university level, we want to optimize the absolute ceiling of potential for a thin sliver of the population. That's how we get scientific progress. Imagine if Einstein did not have access to higher level math because it was deemed mostly not useful. The collateral damage here is that some people need to take courses to justify the professor's course.

While I do agree that well-rounded individuals are more important you are missing the fact that the takeaway of STEM courses is not "to memorize Boyle's law". If that is how you approached your studies, then I can understand how you feel the education was a waste. But the more important aspect is learning the process in which one solves a problem. Being exposed to a variety of domains exposes you to slightly different initial conditions and thus shows you a broader range of problem solving methods. Likewise, I can generate an equally silly list like yours of life lessons learned in STEM class from my own public education that are more important than the material: build a Rube-Goldberg machine with a friend, start a study group with friends, figure out how to build a rocket, sell cookies (ok not from a STEM class), build a video game with friends, find out what you like to do.


> I can just google it. STEM is great to study, but most of the academics in it after 8th grade are not particularity useful.

Respectfully, I couldn't disagree more. Understanding the basics of calculus allows one to grok the underlying principles of the universe.

I studied hard science (geology) which included quite a bit of chemistry and physics, which helped me when buying a house (in a location not prone to natural disasters) and remodeling my house (understanding the physics in load-bearing walls and behavior of water in structures).

I also majored in English literature, studying overseas, which trained me to become a much better writer than I otherwise would have been.

Saying "just Google it" shows a very shallow understanding of applied theory which makes one a much better problem-solver, imo.


> We have google now. I don't need to know the capital of Ukraine - I can just google it.

That's not the point. The point is to be able to retain that memory so you can form a unified view of the world and not have to resort to Google all the time. Did you think encyclopedias, dictionaries, and world maps didn't exist before Google?

> I still haven't been asked to solve a differential equation at work.

The skills you used in figuring out which method to apply and the accuracy in not making mistakes during integration, etc. will help you every day.

> Build a raseberry pi robot with a friend, start a club with friends, figure out how to build a fort in a tree, sell lemonade, build a website with friends, find out what you like to do <- I feel like these will be more important job skills compared to memorizing Boyle's law [1662].

...and, it is this sort of reductive thinking that's causing the US to fall behind in STEM. I will leave it to the reader to figure out how Boyle's Law literally applies to rocket science.

> You will have decades of sitting, staring at broken SPA apps - smelling someone cook fish in a microwave. You will never get that 3rd grade summer back.

Again, a false dichotomy. You can have plenty of fun in 3rd grade summer without needing every second of it needing to be some kind of Elysian playground.


I don't think that it is waste. Learning to be test ninja means that you have to learn to concentrate and spend effort at a single task for a period of time over a period of time.

That skill you can later use to do any of the mentioned activities far more efficiently.

At least that is how is see. I thought myself to be a test ninja during high school and I still follow the same basic pattern when doing work related stuff or for hobbies.


Sounds like the first step towards the world described by Issac Asimov in "The Feeling of Power": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Feeling_of_Power


Interestingly enough, he apparently had issues understanding how integration by parts worked.


pretty sure the test ninjas build Google


At this point, that could either be advocating in their favor or not so much.


Agreed. And test taking may not be the best criteria to judge people by.


I put in an explicit edit at the bottom of my post now to clarify – I think test prep is terrible to. The important part was cultural factors valuing STEM enough to pay for test prep, not the prep itself.


> I think test prep is terrible to.

Since this is not a mix-up I make very commonly, I obviously meant "...terrible too".




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