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What? Trump had an anti-war platform. That’s why his response to Iran was so weak (and why he allowed them to return fire to save face).

Also, he let Erdogan do whatever he wanted. And the Saudis. He didn’t care!

And even if you don’t believe that, Trump is currently okay with the invasion.




Trump has an anti-war, contain the bully platform.

He introduced new sanctions for Iran and killed one of their highest ranking officers. Precision strikes instead of wasteful wars.

Turkey and SA are US allies, Trump just continued that long-standing policy, as does Biden.

> And even if you don’t believe that, Trump is currently okay with the invasion.

Quote? Trump said Putin's "pretty smart", which, judging by their progress towards Kyiv, and the lack of response by the West, well, you can't say it's not smart (at least in the short term... long term, remains to be seen).


For you and parent commentator: the topic of the thread is Ukraine's invasion by Russian imperial forces.

Let us not devolve into the Rorschach test that is Trump's administration and our personal interpretations. It serves no purpose but to feed relative trolls.


> For you and parent commentator: the topic of the thread is Ukraine's invasion by Russian imperial forces.

This is a sub thread discussing some nuance of how we got to this point.

> Let us not devolve into the Rorschach test that is Trump's administration and our personal interpretations.

I don't appreciate the gratuitous insult that we can't objectively discuss the actions of a past president.


> I don't appreciate the gratuitous insult that we can't objectively discuss the actions of a past president.

Regardless of any point made on the subject, what one side considers objective, the other side considers biased and tainted. Your rejoinder on the existential insult (though a consequence of human nature) is noted -- and your wish shared that we could exist with any real semblance of objectivity. We primates aren't objective creatures when it comes to arguments that at least one side has turned its axioms into articles of faith.

For the record, I expect we agree substantively on an analysis of Trump's presidency, both in terms of motivations, outcomes, and impacts.




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