> So did in Taiwan, SK, Japan, Hong Kong, Sinagpore, etc. in the 50s-90s. China is actually behind, and was slow to develop because of the mess that the revolution caused.
I'm certainly not a Great Leap Forward apologist, but Deng salvaging the mess in the 80s-90s and the subsequent development is a great achievement.
> As above, the authoritarianism didn't cause this. Walk around 3am at night in any city in Japan, SK or Taiwan, it is the same.
I'm just citing Good Things about China since the parent seemed to be convinced there weren't any. Not making a value judgement on how it was achieved.
> Since we're playing et tu now, how about all the bases in the South China Seas and the border skirmishes with India? By all indications, if the US was not the world police, then China's (or Russia's) response, judging by their recent actions, would have been even worse. You also failed to mention China's role in the Korean war, in addition to Vietnam.
Some border skirmishes vs an uninterrupted history of global hot, cold, and proxy wars since WWII, you tell me which is more significant?
> Hard to see COVID as a defence for China given that most of the world is still ticked off that China covered everything up, twice, leading to pandemic both times. It's surprising that they didn't learn the mistakes of SARS, and here we are with SARS-2.
The gene sequence was released on this day (1/11) in 2020. There had been 41 cases and one death at that point. Look at the American virus response and tell me if any city would've locked down at that point. There was no coverup, it's simply an incredibly contagious virus.
> This really betrays your sympathies. You don't even consider that what the people of Hong Kong desires and their right to self-determination. Hong Kong is more than just a few islands and a bit of land hanging off of the mainland.
We'll have to agree to disagree here. I don't think the majority of Hong Kongers wants to secede from the mainland, even in a magical world where they wouldn't have to fight an independence war and subsequent complete economic/diplomatic isolation to get it.
> What is even your point here? Are you trying to say that it's actually Taiwan provoking China?
I'm saying that it's dumb to treat flying into a corner of a giant rectangle that's mostly not covering your own land as some major provocation
I'm certainly not a Great Leap Forward apologist, but Deng salvaging the mess in the 80s-90s and the subsequent development is a great achievement.
> As above, the authoritarianism didn't cause this. Walk around 3am at night in any city in Japan, SK or Taiwan, it is the same.
I'm just citing Good Things about China since the parent seemed to be convinced there weren't any. Not making a value judgement on how it was achieved.
> Since we're playing et tu now, how about all the bases in the South China Seas and the border skirmishes with India? By all indications, if the US was not the world police, then China's (or Russia's) response, judging by their recent actions, would have been even worse. You also failed to mention China's role in the Korean war, in addition to Vietnam.
Some border skirmishes vs an uninterrupted history of global hot, cold, and proxy wars since WWII, you tell me which is more significant?
> Hard to see COVID as a defence for China given that most of the world is still ticked off that China covered everything up, twice, leading to pandemic both times. It's surprising that they didn't learn the mistakes of SARS, and here we are with SARS-2.
The gene sequence was released on this day (1/11) in 2020. There had been 41 cases and one death at that point. Look at the American virus response and tell me if any city would've locked down at that point. There was no coverup, it's simply an incredibly contagious virus.
> This really betrays your sympathies. You don't even consider that what the people of Hong Kong desires and their right to self-determination. Hong Kong is more than just a few islands and a bit of land hanging off of the mainland.
We'll have to agree to disagree here. I don't think the majority of Hong Kongers wants to secede from the mainland, even in a magical world where they wouldn't have to fight an independence war and subsequent complete economic/diplomatic isolation to get it.
> What is even your point here? Are you trying to say that it's actually Taiwan provoking China?
I'm saying that it's dumb to treat flying into a corner of a giant rectangle that's mostly not covering your own land as some major provocation