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Good story!

Everyone were correct about being afraid of opening CRT monitors. Repairing them is a whole other domain than PC electronics. A CRT ZAP from the cathode ray components can kill. That is not a place one should poke around trying to find solutions.




Fifty years ago. EE school. TV lab. First day practicing TV repair. Two by two on high stools behind the open sets.

Joe looking up from the schematic: "John, where is the high voltage?"

John knows. Points his finger at the set ... and touch! I heard the zap and saw John and his stool tilt backwards. Flat on the floor.

He was somewhat pale but otherwise ok.


And instantly a lot smarter!


It's amazing how complacent we get.

Two times every day I duck under an electric gate that's fed by a 10kV (might be higher) low-impedance charger. Been doing it this way for years.

Then a few days ago, ducking under it as usual, I happened to be on a slightly higher part of the ground and my back touched it as I was wearing wet, muddy boots. And I was instantly reminded why the horses have learned to not get too close to the fence :-)


Those can really whack you when conditions are humid. There is a pretty funny - and very obvious - dumb thing that almost every male that lives in a rural area seems to have to experience all by themselves at least once during their young lives. You don't quite realize how dumb you can be until that happens and then afterwards you will have a much more accurate idea of where you are on the intelligence scale.


> dumb thing that almost every male that lives in a rural area

Maybe I'm lucky that I didn't grow up in a rural area :-)

Managed to get one boy out the house without him doing it (that I know of!). Hope the younger one is at least as smart!


I still feel so incredibly stupid about this because it's not as if I didn't know... but it won't happen again. I think.


I have accidentally zapped my gonads whilst stepping over an electric fence. Trust me, you definitely don't ever want to do that unless you're into that sort of thing!


Yeah, when his memory returned.


I wonder if I just got lucky in my youth trying to repair a mac classic II (at the time it was about 10 years old), or if the 9" CRT that must have not been turned on for years at that point didn't have enough of a charge?

That machine eventually lived and functioned perfectly for quite a few more years (ended up just needing a new HDD) until finally dying.


The dangers of aquadag charge are enormously exaggerated. The real danger is not that the shock will instantly vaporize you and everyone you love, but that when you disconnect the anode improperly the spark jumps to something-not-quite-ground and destroys electronics, or, when it jumps to you, you hurt yourself because you hit something or drop something.

Off-line SMPS are far more dangerous because their main caps actually contain 100-1000x more energy than a charged CRT tube. And unlike the aquadag on a tube these are very low impedance as well.


You need to discount here for CRT size. A 9" will zap you, a big 30" Barco will happily kill you if you are not going to be careful, those things will put out HV at appreciable current. Ditto for old glass tube large screen color TVs.


Yes, with big picture tubes there's certainly a potential for receiving a lethal shock (of course, depending on the circumstances even very weak shocks can become lethal). My point is more about risk, respect and understanding what you're dealing with instead of apocryphal stories and fear. The former is imho more conducive to safe procedures being followed.


The Classic II (and others newer than the earliest Macs) had bleeder resistors to discharge the CRT automatically. Older monitors and TVs did not, so manually discharging was more important. The procedure was still to manually discharge the newer machines in case the bleeder resistor failed, but whenever I discharge the CRT of anything newer than a Mac Plus it’s already discharged well before I touch the grounded screwdriver to the underside of the anode cap.


The Classic II (and others newer than the earliest Macs) had bleeder resistors to discharge the CRT automatically

Was that why older/cheaper CRTs just turned off, but the more expensive and newer ones made kind of a "thunk" noise after the screen turned off?


A level of high voltage in CRTs is directly related to the size of tube and whether it's B/W (monochrome) or color (higher for color as you need to attract 3 electron beams instead of one.) In small monochrome CRTs (like 9"-10") cathode voltages would be in single digit kilovolts range, while for large color CRTs (19"+) would be in tens on kilovolts (like 25kV.) Bottom line is that in 9" CRT lower voltages are a bit safer and dissipate quicker after power off.


I plan to replace some RIFA caps on a 9" monochrome that hasn't been powered on for years but was still working last time it was powered on. Do you know how long it takes for an old CRT like that to bleed out all the power if it doesn't have a circuit to automatically do that?


Minutes to tens of minutes (depends of voltage and air humidity.) Couple of hours would be on quite safe side. There's a simple procedure to quickly discharge HV of just turned off TV/monitor but I'd recommend that only for someone experienced working with high voltages.


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