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I just did a quick look, searching (without quotes) "Australia permission to leave" on DDG. It looks to me like you're conflating emergency restrictions for COVID [0] with something like the exit visas that the former USSR used and Russia still uses. There are a great many people dying in the US at this very moment who were making this same sort of argument, right up until they caught COVID and ended up on ventilators. [1]

[0] https://covid19.homeaffairs.gov.au/leaving-australia

[1] https://old.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward




> Russia still uses

No it does not. I'm Russian, and the only thing you need to leave the country is an international passport. You can apply for one online, then come to the immigration service to have your picture taken, then a month later you come again and collect it. The passport is valid for 10 years. I believe it's fairly similar to the process most other countries use.

Many other countries require Russian citizens to have visas, and some visas are hard to obtain (like Australian one, lol) but that's another story entirely.


Good to know, that's more in line with the normal world. I would think that only applies to Russian citizens, though. Getting a visa into Russia is a different story under normal conditions, let alone a pandemic, and exit visas do apply to foreign visitors (at least from the US).

https://ru.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/russian-visas/


Okay, I googled it for a bit. Apparently foreign citizens do need an exit visa but only in two cases:

- If they have (maybe only some type of?) a residence/work permit and would like to avoid problems when returning to Russia

- If they have a tourist visa but overstayed the duration of stay it's valid for


The question is then: Why is that an emergency COVID restriction in the first place.

I seriously do not understand where the logic is here. I can understand restricting travel in, but why restrict travel out? In my mind there is no reason why someone LEAVING your country might be a health concern.

But hey we're talking about the folks that thought the logical solution to prevent people from spreading COVID at dog shelters would be to just shoot all the dogs.


> I seriously do not understand where the logic is here. I can understand restricting travel in, but why restrict travel out? In my mind there is no reason why someone LEAVING your country might be a health concern.

I think I get it: Nations can restrict the liberties of their citizens, and monitor compliance with these restrictions -- impose pandemic-related social distancing or mask usage, sanction you for murder or theft or indecent exposure, etc etc -- on their own soil. Abroad, they cannot -- at least nowhere near as easily -- monitor you. So while they can restrict your liberties in the country, one liberty most nations find it very hard to deny their citizens is entry into the country. After all, WTF is the worth, the meaning, of being "a citizen" of a country if it won't even let you in? (cf Wolf Biermann.)

Put those two together, and the logic becomes obvious: If you let people out, you gotta let them back in. But you can't know where they've been and what they've done and with whom, so you have no idea whether they're infected or not. So you'll have to i) take their word for it; ii) investigate, at great effort, cost, and risk of inaccuracy; iii) put them all in quarantine, with the inevitable screeching about liberties infringed upon... Or just not let them out in the first place, avoiding the problem of having to let them back in altogether.

I'd even say their reasoning (as I interpret it) is legally, on the balance, somewhat sound: Once one of your citizens shows up at the border, at least metaphorically still outside it (although in Australia's case in practice of course on their soil already), they're only asking one thing: To be let in. And precisely because that's just one simple ask, and such a basic civic right, it's damn hard to deny them that. Within the country, though, within its jurisdiction, the state already is generally accepted to be within its rights to (sometimes drastically) limit the liberties of the citizenry. Like, hey, during this pandemic many countries have at times forbidden their citizens to leave their homes. So what's all that much worse about temporarily forbidding them to leave the country?


I think the reasoning was that it's "easier" to stop a citizen from leaving than returning.




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