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6% Ain’t Really That Much (mattmaroon.com)
32 points by mqt on Aug 22, 2008 | hide | past | favorite | 13 comments



Good article, but you're wasting your breath. Sarah Lacy's article had such little substance and thought behind it that pointing out the errors in it is like picking apart scientology.


Agreed. In some cases, the best response to an argument is silence.


6% is 1-3 rock stars --- your best lead developer, your CEO. It only seems small when you're just getting started. It's a very significant amount of equity. Yes, companies trade 40+% for VC all the time. But they're also buying a guaranteed 2 year runway and a war chest to offer those same rock stars 150k-200k in year 1.

I'm not making a value judgement here --- maybe YC is worth that much for you.

(I read the article, I know "6%" isn't really the point here; it's just the one nit I have with the discussion.)


I don't think 6% will get you 1-3 "rock stars" at the stage that most YC companies are. Much too early for that.

At that stage (where cash compensation is minimal if not non-existent), the equity that would need to be given a real "rock star" would be considerably higher.


You're right, but what does that matter? When you give up 6% of your company in 2008, you're out that 6% in 2009. In 2008, a CEO costs 33% of the founder's pool. When the company survives into its first cash-flow-neutral year, that CEO costs much less.

The idea that you can just keep peeling 6% (or 40%) every round is also a fallacy. You can keep doing that exactly until the point where your shareholders stop letting you do it.

Again: it's really easy to devise an argument that says a YC endorsement is worth 6%. I'm not going there. I'm just asking you to think about the real value of that equity number, and I'm doing that because I think to a lot of people, 6% sounds low. I had less than 2% of a very small company that got acquired in '98, and I ended that year just shy of 7 figures.


It matters a lot. 6% of a company in the idea stage is worth a lot less than 6% of a company that's been in motion for a year. Earlier stage = more risk = less value. It's that simple.

If a company in the idea stage were to hire a rock star, they'd almost always need to give way more than 1 or 2%. A company that's already gone through YC and/or done an angel round might give away that little.

And even then, bringing on a CEO would be way more. You wouldn't want a CEO to only get 1 or 2% equity.


You're obviously right. I've just had the experience of wishing I had that kind of equity to throw around. I'm "arguing" a point you didn't really make --- is YC worth 6%? I don't know. But I do know that it's more significant than it might sound.


Well, like PG says, it only has to increase your expectation by 6.4%. For some people, it probably would not. Early paypal employees, people with other successes, etc, have unlimited access to funding/capital.

I would say that for most first timer's though, it's a clear win. If nothing else, PG's guidance probably saves you from well more than 6% wasted equity later on.


I'm sorry, but...WHY do you keep referring to Sarah Lacy as "he"?


Because Sarah Lacy didn't write the original article. A guest poster hiding behind the name "Paisano" wrote it.


Oh. Oops.


Fair enough. I probably could have made my pronoun usage a little clearer.


To avoid the charge of being sexist?

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=280082

(jk)




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