While I know I'm an outlier, this has made me more interested in these devices. It's become almost impossible to find "smart" phones without cameras. I need to read my email, get directions and (unfortunately) us slack but that's about where my needs end. I don't like cameras. I don't want to be in front of them or be responsible for taking photos of things. (I find that my disinterest and my lack of skill makes them all pretty bad anyway, which is fine by me.) I've been known to physically remove them, if I have to replace batteries (I generally opt to fix them over buying new, until the software experience degrades due to becoming under powered for the updated experiences). I'd buy the smaller one (fold? flip?) if I could be promised that the camera would never work.