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> Honest question though - but what _should_ Apple do here? I'm moving away from Apple due to this decision so i'm no fan of it.. but i also don't think it's on some corporation to spend their money to defend my freedom.

Honest question, were are you going that has less privacy issues than this?



For the Phone, no idea. For my laptop i'm switching to the Framework Laptop and Linux (for work). For my phone, god only knows.

I _want_ to support some Linux-only phone, completely off of Google/etc. However, i suspect that will be too poor of a UX, lacking basic functionality that i deem essential. I may still buy them to support them, but i think i'm going to have to buy a Android-based phone and then heavily de-google it. I don't like this option because it still supports the Google ecosystem, but it may be a necessary evil while the Linux-phone market hopefully grows, and while i continue to buy the Linux-phone market to "do my part".



Calyxos is one i'm debating going. Seems a more realistic option (compared to Purism). Does CalyxOS recommend phones to buy for their OS?


I think only the Snapdragon SoC is fully supported. So, yes, the google Pixel phones and the Xiaomi Mi A2 are curently recommended: https://calyxos.org/get/

I've flashed mine 2 weeks ago and I am very pleased. Without the Google Services Framework you are restricted to the F-Droid store though (not a problem for me personally). And there are several Apps that won't work even if you install the GSF and the Aurora-Store: Banking-Apps, Online-Check-In for Flights, etc. -- again not a problem for me personally, I fly maybe once every 5 years and use Online-Banking from my browser...


Librem 5?


What makes the Framework laptop so great is that it provides a user-controlled system without being ancient and crippled. It stacks up pretty comparably to a standard XPS or MacBook. As much as I respect Purism's efforts the Librem 5 is so much less functional than an iPhone it's almost a different class of device.


Some of the open source phone projects are interesting. But I stopped carrying a phone entirely about 3 years ago.

HN is a weird crowd, so this obviously isn't a solution for +99% of people. But I'm choosing to opt out entirely. Living in the 90s is annoying when coordinating with unreliable people, but this isn't some kind of impossible feat. I don't even think about it anymore, it's a non-issue. Just get on with it.




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