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The win-at-any-cost mindset of modern litigating is here on display at its very worst:

1. Disregard truth when it gets in the way of the advantage you seek to attain with the aid of law.

2. Say whatever it takes to get judges to go your way, even if you not only omit important facts in making your petition but also affirmatively misstate whatever inconvenient fact gets in your way.

3. Disregard your duty as a prosecutor - which ultimately is to ensure that justice is done even as you pursue alleged criminal wrongdoing - and place the formidable powers of your office at the disposal of a private civil litigant with whom you want to cozy up.

4. Don't give a second thought to wasting the legal and judicial resources of two governments to help put on a charade that is wholly unnecessary to any legitimate goal of the legal system but that serves the interest of a private litigant only.

5. And, perhaps worst of all, don't hesitate to misuse the law to try to ruin the life of an innocent man in order to protect the market dominance you once had but now see as slipping to the point where it can be upheld only by resort to vicious legal tactics aimed at crushing potential competitors.

One recoils at the thought of it and can only wonder who within Cisco would have countenanced it all.




> One recoils at the thought of it and can only wonder who within Cisco would have countenanced it all.

That's the thing. "Cisco" would be hard to hold accountable. But people made those decisions. Was the law broken (false testimony == perjury? barratry?) If so, it was broken by people.

Hold people accountable and you'll see less abuse.


The documentary shows the development of the contemporary business corporation, from a legal entity that originated as a government-chartered institution meant to effect specific public functions, to the rise of the modern commercial institution entitled to most of the legal rights of a person. One theme is its assessment as a "personality", as a result of an 1886 case in the United States Supreme Court in which a statement by Chief Justice Morrison R. Waite[nb 1] led to corporations as "persons" having the same rights as human beings, based on the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. The film's assessment is effected via the diagnostic criteria in the DSM-IV; Robert Hare, a University of British Columbia psychology professor and a consultant to the FBI, compares the profile of the contemporary profitable business corporation to that of a clinically-diagnosed psychopath. The documentary concentrates mostly upon North American corporations, especially those of the United States.

The film is in vignettes examining and criticizing corporate business practices. It establishes parallels between the way corporations are systematically compelled to behave and the DSM-IV's symptoms of psychopathy, i.e. callous disregard for the feelings of other people, the incapacity to maintain human relationships, reckless disregard for the safety of others, deceitfulness (continual lying to deceive for profit), the incapacity to experience guilt, and the failure to conform to social norms and respect for the law.

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/The_Corporati...


Yes, but that's rather beside the point. Corporations might be psychopaths, but having no hands they physically cannot commit murder - and having no minds cannot even enter into a conspiracy to commit murder. They're like a medical patient in a vegetable state: a legal person and able to interact with the world through those they have granted power of attorney, but not able to take independent action.

EDIT: I should point out, it isn't impossible that a person in a vegetable state could commit some criminal offence - goodness knows we have a lot of laws on the books - and it isn't impossible for a corporation to commit a criminal offence either. Just difficult and/or unusual. On the other hand both can easily commit civil offences and corporations are prosecuted for those all the time.

So if there was a crime committed in lying to the police, it was committed by a human being and unlike certain government workers, people acting on behalf of a corporation enjoy no immunity to prosecution.

And I think you're being overly broad in accusing all corporations of the sins of the view. Corporations that are sole proprietorships seem to have all the same morality as the person who owns them. Non profit corporations like the ACLU also appear to display much more morality than a psychopath, as well. And there are many large groups of people - governments and political parties and so forth - which act like psychopaths without being corporations.


100 years ago, yes, a corporation's actions would lay entirely at the feet of people executing them on its behalf. Now, though, a corporation is made up of just as much automation—web services, manufacturing plants, stock trading AI agents—as it is humans. A corporation could do a person a wrong with no human having any sort of mens rea, save perhaps for a systems engineer who signed off on the consequences of interactions of the project components.

For example, see the many cases where hosting providers have received automatic DMCA takedown notices because some spider detected supposedly-infringing content on one of their hosted websites. Did any person decide to send these notices? Is any human legally at-fault for these actions at all?


> Did any person decide to send these notices? Is any human legally at-fault for these actions at all?

Valid DMCA notices require a statement made under penalty of perjury. Either someone is signing them (and therefore liable), or they're not proper DMCA. That said, people frequently respond to and take stuff down even when issued an improper notice.

That said, I've never heard of anyone getting in serious trouble for filing improper notices, even fairly absurd ones, though I think the EFF litigated one such case over the short YouTube clip of the baby dancing to some big label music. I've also never heard of someone getting convicted of perjury for sending a fraudulent notice, but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened.


I guess my point was that even if 'Cisco' has corporate-personhood, surely that doesn't cover the people who work there from performing illegal acts?

If a Cisco employee murdered someone in the pursuance of Cisco's interests, it would be the employee, not Cisco, who would be liable I think?


>and can only wonder who within Cisco would have countenanced it all.

I think Google "cisco general counsel" would be a reasonable start.


Their general counsel does indeed appear to be taking ownership of this strategy. I wrote a short, polite email to their Board of Directors address (in my professional capacity as someone who works in this field) asking the directors to consider reviewing the company's legal strategy in light of recent controversy about this case. I received the following reply, which I hope is okay to paste here, since I assume it's a common response they're sending out to all inquiries (not a private email specifically to me), and tells the story as they see it:

Thank you for your email regarding Cisco's legal strategy, which will be provided to the Board of Directors together with this response. We appreciate your input and interest in our company.

In the specific case you referenced, Cisco discovered what it believed to be theft of Cisco software by Mr Adekeye. We brought civil claims against him and his company, and reported the matter to law enforcement, as we customarily do when we believe we have been a victim of theft. After nearly two years of independent investigation, the United States Secret Service issued a criminal complaint alleging that Mr. Adekeye violated the United States Computer Fraud and Abuse Act in 97 separate instances. As a result, a United States District Court judge signed an arrest warrant for Mr. Adekeye. The decision as to whether to prosecute any criminal matter must be made by governmental authorities, and not by any private citizen or company, and Cisco in no way controlled the bringing of criminal charges against Mr Adekeye, nor did we contact any other agency regarding the matter.

Separately, as part of the civil lawsuit, Cisco presented evidence that Mr. Adekeye repeatedly stole information and software from Cisco using a current employee's credentials to access Cisco's computer network. The United States District Court for the Northern District of California agreed with Cisco, and ruled that Mr. Adekeye's conduct violated the U.S. federal anti-hacking statute.

The Canadian judge apparently objected to the fact that Mr. Adekeye was arrested by Canadian authorities during a civil justice proceeding. This is a matter between the US and Canadian governments, and we believe any person or entity concerned about theft of its property would have acted as we did. We strenuously object to the judge's characterization of Cisco's actions, which was based on Mr. Adekeye's allegations in a proceeding in which we did not participate and in which we had no opportunity to present any information.

Again, thank you for your email.

Sincerely,

Mark Chandler

Senior Vice President, Legal Services, General Counsel and Secretary

Cisco Systems, Inc.


Can't the lawyers involved get disbarred if they knowingly lied to a judge (or told falsehoods with reckless disregard for the truth)?


How does a Cisco get a prosecutor on board with something like this in the first place?


Maybe the legal department of Cisco is being treated as a "profit centre"




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