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A pencil sharpener that creates a never-ending pencil (2015) (spoon-tamago.com)
173 points by wholeness on June 15, 2021 | hide | past | favorite | 63 comments



I can't quite explain why, but I was really into this until I saw it required glue.

I don't like glue. It's messy, it takes time to dry, and it's not reusable. This pencil sharpener is still a neat party trick, but the glue downgrades it from something I'd actually want to buy.


I think wood glue is most harmless type [1], and you do not need as much as it shown in video for the presentation purposes.

On the other hand, maybe friendly (non-glue) version would be with the contra-screw or clicking mechanism at the end. But it would be very hard to maintain lock while you cut the pencil/s pass the joint.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood_glue "It is chemically similar to edible gelatin and is non-toxic if ingested."

But on the other hand you have different types: https://impressionsofaholobiont.com/2018/09/03/non-toxic-wat...


Japanese maker have a weird love for wood glue. For instance flat pack furnitures come with glue for extra strength, where Ikea just sizes the bits tight enough to not need any.

To play the devil's advocate, their wood glue doesn't smell and is pretty easy to use. It's less messy to me than regular scotch paper glue for instance.


I look at the Ikea furniture I buy and apply wood glue as and where I can.

Some bits are really not ever meant to come apart ever again.


I think they improved a ton in the last decade or so.

Most parts using wood bits nowadays are either enclosed and there is no tension that would make the bits get out, or the bits are seconded by metal pieces that actually maintain it all together.


Yes, I think I don't even remember seeing a piece with wood bits not seconded by the metal thingies (I love the mechanism btw, it's weirdly satisfying)


It'd be really cool if the sharpener tapped and threaded the stubs.


I am unsure if you can create a thread with such a small depth on pencil wood, but I don't understand why it couldn't be press fit?

Just make the hole a bit smaller so the tip fits snugly inside. Maybe it wouldn't work on cheaper pencils due to cracking?


Given that it's wood, you could probably shape it into a wedge and clamp it in.


The other issue you have is designing a pencil sharpener that could cut a wedge.

The beauty of the current design is that its simple to make, simple to repair and guaranteed to work even when you're shaving past the joint. It's one of those situations where a "worse" solution actually covers all the edge cases better.


Wood glue is fine. Even cutting boards use it. It's cheap too. And you can use it on your wooden chair when the joints weaken.


I was the same. Too bad it doesn't do notches that fit together.


pencils are made with glue. Thats how they get the "lead" inside them. I appreciate if you dont want to handle it (but you wouldnt need anywhere near as much as is demonstrated, a couple of drops inside would do fine), but from a "reusable" perspective, its still better than throwing away a pencil stub (if you keep the glue well sealed!)


Ah, by "not reusable," I wasn't referring to environmental concerns. Rather, it's a "consumable" substance that will eventually get used up, and I'll have to remember to buy more! So are the pencils of course, but the glue adds another thing.


I suppose you could stockpile stubs until you get the glue - although with my memory thats a sure-fire way to end up with a 12m pencil :p

Drying up in the bottle is an issue too :(


I thought the same thing. If only there was a novel way the two could connect. I was expecting it to say something like ‘then twist the two pencils together until they click’ but nope. Glue. :(



This is a pencil sharpener that creates a splice joint between two pencils allowing short pencils to be joined to create one of usable length.


Also you can keep sharpening and using the resulting pencil as usual without pausing even when you switch from the old pencil to the new.


this introduced me to the awesome 凹 and 凸 kanji characters in japanese/chinese, meaning concave and convex respectively; plus 𠱂 which apparently means 'to rebuke/retort' i.e. a 'sharp' response (lol?) - see https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E5%87%B9 and https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E5%87%B8


lego letters :-)


I know that song in the video is something from the 70s with a female singer, but I can't remember which song/singer.

Edit: Got it! Janis Ian - At Seventeen. https://youtu.be/ESS0eKJpEZQ


That is a quality song, thanks!

Your link wouldn't play in my country but this one did:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KCp-ymJpRP4


The song is way better than this clip in the pencil video, that arrangement is awful. If you're going to play a V/ii, don't play the root note!


That may be why it took me so long to remember what it was. It also sounds like it might have been played on some Japanese stringed instrument other than a guitar.


I use a pencil extender to get more out of the stubs. I like the Staedtler 900 25 for this purpose.


Yes. The pencil sharpener removes the last 2.5cm of the pencil lead anyway, so why not just use a pencil extender? This seems like an overengineered solution looking for a problem.

You're using a really classy extender, but one of those $0.10 plastic pencil caps would work as well.


Just to note that a $2 extender will work as well.


What is the benefit of using a wooden pencil over a mechanical pencil? Does it also depend on whether you're doing engineering drawing vs art?

I am a (Software) Engineer so I've had no need to use a pencil/pen for many years now other than to write gift cards and sign things.


Software Engineer here who loves to draw/sketch. The biggest difference is stroke consistency and handling weight. So an ideal handling weight will let you exert more control over your strokes; your straights are cleaner, your curves are more fluid. Think of how some gaming mouses are weighted.

If you find the right mechanical pencil (i.e., not a cheap plastic one), it wins in both aspects. Plus a mechanical pencil never becomes too short that it does not rest stably on your grip.

But still, there is a certain charm to a drawing produced with the variable stroke widths of a wooden pencil. So I guess it depends what you're going for.


Interesting thank you.

I am not very artistic so never got into drawing or sketching, I do understand the stroke width point though, my school required us to use fountain pens (as a left-handed person, it's probably the the single biggest reason I've avoided hand-writing ever since, what a nightmare!).

I use a Uni Kuro Toga Roulette I got from Japan for measurements and technical drawings I do at home, but I don't do any of that professionally to say how good it is. The key point for me is that it's always sharp every time I reach for it.

I have wooden pencils but when I grab those (infrequently, usually for marking wood or walls etc for DIY), I find they need sharpening, and some times the end isn't pointed enough to mark a wall through a screw-hole. I use them infrequently enough that I rarely bother sharpening them after I'm done, and they get thrown in a drawer or tool box as-is.


I bought one of those Staedtler holders but none of my pencils fit. Maybe I am doing something wrong.


But you'll need a wider grip.


Watching the demonstration video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubwPm9UK4F8

Makes me think of people I've seen that make silly products.

Now, does the whole mottainai attitude require you do something about the wood glue you can't use out of the bottle?


Syringe


Then you need a use for the syringe you can't use again because it's full of hard glue


I’ve never ran a pencil down to a nub. You’ll lose it longer before that


True for like #2 pencils, but I have a whole case full of expensive artist grade pencils that I will not lose.


When I draw, I like the lead to be extremely sharp. It's always bothered me that in reality I'm only using a hair thin cylinder of the center of the lead, and the rest gets turned to powder.


get a mechanical pencil and use all the lead?


Even a mechanical pencil isn't sharp enough. But more importantly, without the support of the wood/lead around it, it breaks too easily. So they're virtually impossible to sharpen. I have given it a try using a fine emery board, and when the lead doesn't break, it takes a while, and the board gets clogged and won't sharpen.


Maybe that is because you start with pencils that are too long to start with?

This machine allows you to start off with shorter pencils that you can extend on demand. This way you are likely to loose less pencil whenever you loose one.


Not when you've paid $10/fancy pencil.


In my experience, especially when you've paid $10/fancy pencil.



The pencil extender industry hates this one weird trick


This is an idea so simple that just stumps me in awe. For entire life I was looking pencils being thrown as they are short to write with. Simple amazing.

I like ideas as such, where someone rediscovers long standing problem everyone forgot or they are not noticing anymore as a problem, and then they make potentially very successful product.


it requires sharp, precise, durable, affordable blades. They are available now not since decades.

Stunned me 2 decades ago with click/woodloc parquet.


I beg to differ:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damascus_steel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_swordsmithing

And: The PVA adhesive was invented in the early 1950s (Elmer's glue). Since then it has been improved and now we have the yellow glues (Carpenter's Glue, Titebond, etc.) and even now the cross-linking PVAs (Titebond II).

so 7 decades...

While the modern pencil was invented in 1795 by Nicholas-Jacques Conte.


Keyword is affordable, this sharpener is $15usd and a hand forged damascus steel blade won't meet the price point.


Well I get your train of thought but we had one othery type of steel for quite long:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_C._Gillette#/media/File:G...

But it is fair point I am not interested to find more what kind of steel do they use for those sharpeners.


not = now Sorry...


Next iteration: cut a thread in both pencils so they can be screwed together.


A pack of 48 pencils is $1.88 at Walmart. While I certainly congratulate the engineers on their creativity, as a product this seems like a solution in search of a problem.


A pencil is even 0€ at Ikea, but that doesn't make this less neat.


Last I checked, Ikea pencils are those stupidly short ones. Now you can take two or three and use this tool to make a full size one!


It's in the spirit of not wasting.


I get that, but is it even accomplishing that job, once you factor in petroleum for the plastics, the glue, the packaging, etc.? Is all that money, effort, and environmental impact worth it to salvage the last inch of a used pencil? I doubt it.


Another way to phrase it is it's in the spirit of finishing all the fries that come with the burger. We're not always calculative creatures. Sometimes the act of completion matters more.


This is just the sort of product to invoke the ire of "big pencil." Mark my words, and watch as the insidious cabal of global pencil subsidiaries (Ticonderoga, Staedtler, Mitsubishi, and others) slowly smothers this product in its crib.


So the point is to solve wasting pencil ends (mostly made out of wood), by introducing... a device made out of plastic, and glue (which also comes in a plastic bottle)?


My mottainai demands an equivalent solution for mechanical pencil lead.


And here I was hoping that this sharpener created a fractal point :(




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