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If they a quit their job because they have a few extra million then they were working class (ie they needed to work to survive).



I would never have imagined referring to a GS executive as someone working to survive lmao

It's not all black and white.


They aren't all working to survive but the ones who are are. Anyone who wants to escape the rat race would take the GS exec job if they were offered it as it speeds up the timeline for them.


The leader of the U.K. is having financial difficulties despite his multi million wealth, 6 figure salary and practically free accommodation.

Apparently that’s not enough when you have expensive tastes.


He never quit when he made his millions.... He is motivated by power.


That is the most brain-dead class analysis I have ever read. You can't be serious.


I am deadly serious. There has been a successful multi-decade gaslighting initiative to make people think middle class and working class are different when in fact they are both just working to make the investment class rich. Time is your most valuable asset and unless you own it 100% then you are working class.


You're absolutely right in implicitly arguing that social class isn't exactly determined by the amount of money you have.

You're also correct that traditionally the proletariat (the working class) were those who sold their labour. By a very strict definition, anyone who earns a wage is working class and that would include CEOs (as you are doing explicitly). That definition is deficient and doesn't relate to reality.

Traditionally, the bourgeoisie were the class or classes who employed the workers. The capitalists own the capital and capital goods (means of production) that are used in industry. The petit bourgeoisie are those who own small businesses, such as shopkeepers or lawyers. They were middle class because they were neither working class nor part of the nobility.

Today many companies are publicly held. By this, I mean that stakes in the company are sold publicly. Many companies are also part-owned by the public in the sense of state ownership. This kind of relationship would falsely suppose that members of the working class are members of the bourgeoisie. You agree that ownership doesn't exactly determine class since your criterion is the selling of time or labour.

Those today who have power over the factors of production are very often employed when previously they employed themselves. You call these people working class. I find that very bizarre.

I believe that a managing director of an investment bank is a person who represents capital absolutely. Their job is to head an organisation whose aim is to manage capital and to generate or bring in capital in the process. To identify this person with a factory worker is confused.


Having a job that requires you to deploy capital efficiently doesn’t give you much power at all of it’s not your money.


How does that not apply to a capitalist factory owner who has to contend with market forces?

I think you're trying to play around with definitions because you think there's a moral component to class.


"The man" doesn't have to be rich (but he is), his position is one of power.

Money is power, so the man is those on the top floors of institutes dealing with large amounts of money and having gala evenings with politicians and CEOs.

That's who the working class person making minimum wage that was just made redundant actually works for.

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Saying that the investor bank executive is working class because he needs to pay his rent is bollocks.


Working class is anyone who needs to work to survive. The rest (middle class, salary etc) is all a distraction. Pitting poors against poors to leverage power. Either you have enough to live off of your investments 100% or you are working class.


So the millionaire that's spending $5,000 a week in rent and $50,000 a week to maintain his lifestyle—as it might be required by his job and expected by his peers—is working class?

Sorry, it's your definition that is wrong. "Working class" doesn't mean "category of people that work."

"When used non-academically in the United States, [...] it often refers to a section of society dependent on physical labour, especially when compensated with an hourly wage. For example, the working class is loosely defined as those without college degrees. Working-class occupations are then categorized into four groups: unskilled labourers, artisans, outworkers, and factory workers."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_class#Definitions


"Need" is the operative word.




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