> But the problem with this sort of attitudes is that governments constantly lie.
Governments do lie and there have been many real conspiracies. I don't exactly see how that is a problem with what I wrote. Sure sometimes you have to more research than just look up snopes but the real conspiracies mostly have some realistic motivations and reasons behind them to explain them. Critical thinking can get you far.
> While you need uranium to find the correct values, uranium + an old tv can tell you exactly what's being lied about and what the correct values are. Any experimental physicist leans how to do this).
Exactly, applying the scientific method to find out the truth works.
> But we are now in the situation that media in Europe are lying every day about the constant violence used by the police in Paris (and Brussels, and Madrid, and ...) against COVID-protestors. For example, just from today:
Any measures fighting a pandemic are by nature authoritarian. That can not be helped and doesn't invalidate the measures.
Covid-19 is just the beginning. The more our world is globalized the more often will we have to deal with new viruses and the like. If we don't find a way to effectively contain these challenges we are looking at a world that I don't find particular worth living in. So you are barking up the wrong tree here.
> 1) people who were here were hurt.
Even this is not proven. The symptoms are very unspecific and might not be related to their work.
> 2) the state department is not helping them.
Maybe because of my answer to 1.
> 3) the purpose of these denial messages is, at least in part, to justify 2).
Again the whole arguments fails apart of as the 1st point is not proven.
> Governments do lie and there have been many real conspiracies. I don't exactly see how that is a problem with what I wrote.
Your central thesis is an appeal to authority ... and the authority you pick is one that never really tells the truth, has interests at stake here, and has historically lied with rather large consequences. Nor have they ever even apologised or even admitted wrongdoing. What I'm saying is: pick another authority.
> Exactly, applying the scientific method to find out the truth works.
That seems like an excellent proposal for another authority to go to. A well-cited academic that would at least lose credibility if they lied, for example.
> Any measures fighting a pandemic are by nature authoritarian. That can not be helped and doesn't invalidate the measures.
The measures are authoritarian wild guesses. With, of course, a healthy dose of denying there was anything wrong with past measures and complete refusal to help with the massive damage they are causing or accepting anything remotely resembling responsibility. And half the measures are pandering to special interest groups of course.
None of it justifies feeding people wrong information. And let's not joke here. The government is feeding information, and hiding other information, just like all the other groups are. For instance, they are massively downplaying that the big source of infections was hospitals. We all know why: they're afraid of being called to account for ancient ventilation systems in particularly infectious hospitals. They're afraid of the current systems (of having all publicly insured patients share rooms, EVEN when caring for infectious patients) might be in need of redesign. And the second source of infections is restaurants. That is being downplayed everywhere they reopen them.
And of course, they're especially afraid of the knowledge that we don't know all that much about how it spreads coming out. That it will become public knowledge that most measures are just wild guesses. I understand that, it won't make negotiation about measures easier. It's still wrong.
Governments do lie and there have been many real conspiracies. I don't exactly see how that is a problem with what I wrote. Sure sometimes you have to more research than just look up snopes but the real conspiracies mostly have some realistic motivations and reasons behind them to explain them. Critical thinking can get you far.
> While you need uranium to find the correct values, uranium + an old tv can tell you exactly what's being lied about and what the correct values are. Any experimental physicist leans how to do this).
Exactly, applying the scientific method to find out the truth works.
> But we are now in the situation that media in Europe are lying every day about the constant violence used by the police in Paris (and Brussels, and Madrid, and ...) against COVID-protestors. For example, just from today:
Any measures fighting a pandemic are by nature authoritarian. That can not be helped and doesn't invalidate the measures.
Covid-19 is just the beginning. The more our world is globalized the more often will we have to deal with new viruses and the like. If we don't find a way to effectively contain these challenges we are looking at a world that I don't find particular worth living in. So you are barking up the wrong tree here.
> 1) people who were here were hurt.
Even this is not proven. The symptoms are very unspecific and might not be related to their work.
> 2) the state department is not helping them.
Maybe because of my answer to 1.
> 3) the purpose of these denial messages is, at least in part, to justify 2).
Again the whole arguments fails apart of as the 1st point is not proven.