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"Someone has never heard of gems:"

No. He has. So have I. He's commenting on the reality of a culture dominated by fanboyism and a framework advertised on the basis of being "full stack" which to naive eyes can seem to be "everything you need".

rubygems -enables- granular reuse of libraries, and many ruby people take great advantage of it.

But as a whole the perl community has got a hell of a lot more practice than the rails community at it - and of course rails has inherited the same fanboyish muppets that used to give perl a bad name (line noise? no, that's a phase you go through and grow out of if you're any good, takes about 3 months or however long it takes you to need to maintain your own line noise :), went on to give PHP a bad name, and in a few years will probably have given rails a bad name (possibly they are doing already? I dunno, being a perl head I tend to ignore that sort of groupthink idiocy, my language was unfashionable when I first learned it :)




I know numerous people who have started using Rails only recently and use plenty of gems and plugins (and even write/distribute their own in some cases).

There are muppets everywhere, but I don't think they dominate the Rails community.


Fair enough.

Rails still looks hopelessly monolithic to a perl dev though - we can't quite see why you'd want to ship a DB library in core when, hey, web apps don't -all- talk to SQL databases.

As for the quality of said DB library, well, many smart ruby developers have torn it to pieces quite adequately so I'll just say "google is your friend" and not bother with a half-informed opinion of my own.


Take any worthwhile topic, and you'll find smart people on both sides of the fence. Many smart people bitch about ActiveRecord, but many more use it and find it highly productive. "Torn to pieces" my ass.

If you can't see why a web app framework might want to ship a DB library, you're blind.


merb




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