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Having worked in both academia and industry in biotech field, I have to say that the bar of reproducibility is a lot higher in industry.

In academia, the goal is to publish. The peer-review process won't care to repeat your experiments. And the chance that other lab repeating your experiments was slim -- why spending time repeating other people's success?

In contrast, in industry, an experiment has to be bullet-proof reproducible in order to be ending up in a product. That includes materials from multiple manufacturing batches of reagents, at multiple customer sites with varying environmental conditions, and operator with vastly different skills.




I can second this. Working in industry, the bar is quite high for rigor. The general attitude of industrial researchers is to be very very skeptical of academia, since a lot of things just don't reproduce (cherry-picked data, p-hacking, only work in a narrow domain, etc., etc.). These researchers are almost all people with PhDs in various science fields, so not exactly skeptics.


The bar is different, but so are the aims.

Industry works solely on stuff that's reproducible because it wants to put these things into practice. That makes for an admirable level of rigor, but constrains their freedom to look at unprofitable and unlikely ideas. That inevitably results in inadvertent p-hacking. The first attempt to look at something unexpected is always "This might be nothing, but..."

They call in other people earlier because they're not protecting trade secrets or trying to get an advantage. They do want priority, and arguably it would be better if they could wait longer and do more work first, but the funding goes to the ones who discover it first.

So there's no real reason for either academics or industry scientists to look askance at each other. They're doing different things, with standards that differ because they're pursuing different goals. They both need each other: applications result in money that pushed for new ideas, and ideas result in new applications.


I agree with you, and I don't want my comment to be read as an indictment of academia exactly - we couldn't live without it, it has huge returns on investment, etc. It's worth reading 10 bad papers to find 1 with a kernel of a good idea (and worth spending research funding on 100 bad experiments to get 1 useful result).

I think what I mean to say is that the skills required in industrial research (which can be quite speculative in well-funded companies, by which I mean a 5% chance of success or so) are somewhat different from those required in academia.


I could sense this sort of problem even in CS and could not wait to get into an applied position as soon as possible. If you cannot build the thing you’re an expert in, you’re no kind of expert I understand.


It's true CS has this problem. But that doesn't mean you cannot do reproducible research in academia. It's up to you.


In many academic disciplines there are no real incentives for reproducible research. On the contrary, reproducibility helps your colleagues/competitors poke holes in your papers. It is quite perverse that being secretive and sneaky is better for career advancement that being open and honest. This is the underlying root of the problem.


Well, I believe that the biggest problem is that there are very little incentives in doing that. Everybody (your university, the Government, the funding agencies...) rushes you to publish as many papers as possible, get zillions of citations, and boost your h-index; however, they do not give a damn about the reproducibility of the results you are publishing.


If you are outcompeted by people with lower morals, then is it really up to you? You either have to succumb to taking shortcuts, or lose your funding.


Theranos showed us that's sadly not true. A good story beats reliable results.


I would say the industrial incentive still works pretty well. Theranos didn't follow and eventually couldn't sell products and busted.




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