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>“The liberty of the individual must be thus far limited; he must not make himself a nuisance” (1978, 53).

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>But those who exhibit cruelty, malice, envy, insincerity, resentment and crass egoism are open to the greater sanction of disapprobation as a form of punishment, because these faults are wicked and other-regarding.

Many things spoken today have nothing to do with truth. They are just expression of hate and anger and make insincere argument. Even worse, they want to wear out others in discussion.




There is more to life than facts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact%E2%80%93value_distinction

>“The liberty of the individual must be thus far limited; he must not make himself a nuisance” (1978, 53).

This sentence as it stands has no limiting principle and is pretty much the justification that was given for almost every genocide.

Heck this is the exact reasoning that China is using for the ongoing Uyghur genocide [1][2].

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide

[2]: https://neveragainrightnow.com/


The context is not government censorship. It's people censoring each other.


> The context is not government censorship. It's people censoring each other.

Actually if you read the source, it clearly is about government control (i.e. control by the active interference of mankind): https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:On_Liberty_(4th_Edition)...

The sentence preceding the one you quoted is:

> Acts, of whatever kind, which, without justifiable cause, do harm to others, may be, and in the more important cases absolutely require to be, controlled by the unfavourable sentiments, and, when needful, by the active interference of mankind.

The problem is that "nuisance" here is not considered to include speech. The whole section this is in is about how "human beings should be free to form opinions, and to express their opinions without reserve;"

And if you read further you will recognize this is not predicated on the speech being true.




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