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This is an incredibly sort timeframe to expect someone to be able to migrate off AWS. If there infrastructure is docker, or K8 than they can move quickly, but if they are tied into more than a couple of AWS specific services like Route 53 or Lambda then a migration is a big ask.



There is no ask. That they are even getting a migration period is very gracious of Amazon. When the decision to ban was made, Parler ceased being a customer and became a liability - one that AWS would presumably try to get rid of as fast as possible. They have no responsibility to keep their services open for Parler.


They do have a responsibility to allow customers to migrate in reasonable time frames. This move tells every other AWS customer: “be ready to move at a moments notice.” That’s not a good thing for AWS.


It says more: “don’t get caught providing a service for terrorists organizing violent acts”... AWS doesn’t want your business. Neither does anyone else. Nor do they want to be legally liable in any way. So if you’re in that business you probably should not host on US based providers of any kind.


The funny thing is that HN wants to get rid of Section 230, yet when these services dispense rhetoric that might bite them in the ass, HN gets upset.


> "The funny thing is that HN wants"

HN doesn't want anything. Or if it does, you—as a member of HN—want it, too. If you're going to grant an exception to yourself, grant it to others here, as well.

HN is a huge community of humans. Those that post things on what you perceive as arguing one position are probably not the same ones you're seeing arguing the opposite. And even if they are, humans are well known for inconsistency.


I'm not going to sit here and pretend for the sake of other's comfort that 230 Repeal isn't the majority opinion in this site.


We tend to remember things that catch our attention over things that we think are normal, which can bias us to believe there's a higher number of voices against us than there actually are.

That's not to say that perhaps there's not a majority, but I don't think we can assess that without some real numbers. Do you have those? If so, what was your methodology?


...If you welcome organized violence at a national scale


Oh so basically every Democrat in 2020.


Most customers will probably be insulated from these kinds of decisions due to not hosting hate speech and calls for violence.


As long as those definitions never change, which of course they constantly do. By today's standards, the wildly popular TV show 'Friends' is full of hate speech. Who knows what will be considered hate speech tomorrow.


Well, the bar seems pretty high at

"Your users committed an act of insurrection against the current legitimate democratic government"



I don't personally use FB for a multitude of reasons.

But they are self hosted, so AWS isn't going to be banning them any time soon.


>Whatabout Facebook

Facebook doesn't use AWS, and at least attempts to moderate calls to violence.


> "Your users committed an act of insurrection against the current legitimate democratic government"

If this is the bar, then it was met by a coup attempt organized on whatsapp in 2016. There's nothing whatabout about it.


Everything,

Everything will eventually be considered hate speech. Every idea is offensive to someone.


Have you seen the Office? Absolutely packed with harmful hate speech and violent tropes.


Chances are, Parler has had numerous warnings. AWS would not spring this on a customer without forewarning.


this is from left wing cancel culture organizations rallying to shutdown the platform where conservative audiences were migrating. Like Apple, Google and others, this is a coordinate effort to quickly silence opposing voices.


Well Jan 6th was 3 days ago.


Yes, but how many warnings did they receive before January 6th?


What engineering team is going to want to tie themselves deeply to a system that builds a reputation for kicking clients off with a 1 day notice?


Many of the biggest companies in the world and they aren't going anywhere anytime soon.


No one who is in a benign industry like insole inserts, or automotive parts is looking at Parler, and thinking "that could be us". Don't be ridiculous.


Activists.


Engineering teams that aren't building apps for terrorists of course.


Agreed. Though I'd point out this it's an incredibly long time to leave the infrastructure in place when there is active planning of further violence taking place on the platform.


IF that was actually the case then law enforcement would be involved and Parler would follow their instructions. As they have in the past.


Law enforcement are involved; they were photographed at the capitol assisting the invaders.


Apparently the cop that shot and killed an unarmed women didn’t get the memo.


A mob was literally breaking in the room where the VP and other politicians were. Yelling that "Pence must die" ( on some of them videos).

You can literally see some messages that were on Parler in the articles were Amazon, is banning Parler: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/johnpaczkowski/amazon-p... . That's crazy talk


Based on reading the LinkedIn of the Parler execs, their code is node.js and some Go with Cassandra and Postgres for storage and RabbitMQ for queuing. That sounds like it will run anywhere they can rent a pile of Linux boxes.

They've tried to avoid lock-in, specifically mentioning avoiding any Google technologies in their mobile apps. However, they are using Route53 for DNS, Cloudfront as a CDN, and ALB for load balancing, so there are a few commodity services they'll need to swap out.


It takes more than that to host a site like Parler. They need load balancing, a CDN for performance (good luck there), and security protections (DDoS, in particular). You know any site they stand up will be a prime hacker target. They need some good network and security engineers to keep this site up.


Also depends a bit on how they set it up. If it was all done as code or config then they’re in luck. If they just used the GUI console they’re in real trouble. That will take them until past inauguration which I suspect is the point.

Good riddance to Parler


Comment on r/aws:

>I am praying and hoping that Parler chose to use DynamoDB, Cognito, API GW, lambda functions, SnS//SQS , Cloudwatch etc. :-D


According to the CEO's post, it seems Parler's engineering was smart and didn't rely on any proprietary AWS services.


Censorship is always good and never used to suppress truth or hide embarrassing actions of the powerful elite.


> If there infrastructure is docker, or K8 than they can move quickly

It's only a matter of time before software updates are used for deplatforming too.


AWS and Google just showed how extremely untrustful their platforms are. If they can just close any account with a very short notice, without any court decision, then I don't really want to use such a horrible cloud system.




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