- Turkey spent like decades denying any harm done to Armenians in general. Then for ~no reason at all, and not even in a place where Armenians are especially visible, a group of Turks decide to hunt some in the streets ? absurd squared
- That's yet another barbaric racist movement coming back from the past. Neo Nazis rallies in the US were a sad surprise after 45th PUSA election but now Turks ? .. if this is a social fever thermometer, it seems the fever is there.
Turkey and its brotherly nation, Azerbaijan are currently at war with Armenia trying to ethnically cleanse the Nagorno-Karabagh region. Tragically, US politics have overshadowed this war.
No really, even beyond that, I barely see any mention of the US election and I can't remember what happened two weeks ago. New ecological disaster, hate crime, terrorism, pandemics.. it's accelerating.
Maybe Armenia should not be illegally occupying Ajerbaijan territory if they don't want to be forcibly kicked out. This is simply war against occupation.
This, Crimea, and a ton of other places near Russia, have "occupation" because some stupid random URSS leader gave random territories away to random governors, because the logic was: "it is all part of URSS anyway".
So Nagorno-Nakahbath:
It been Armenian for THOUSANDS of years, there are structures there that are Armenian and 2000+ years old, also the place is full of the earliest christian churches (that were also armenian).
People that say Armenians must leave there because it is not theirs, are either ignorant of how the place became part of Azerbaijan (URSS gave it to Azerbaijan to appease Turkey) or are just anti-Armenian.
Crimea is a similar situation, kinda. The land been historically Tatar, but Russia invaded and took it in 1700something, it since then been a major Russian military area, when URSS had a Ukranian president, he gave Crimea to Uktraine, again thinking it wouldn't make a difference, not thinking URSS wouldn't last forever.
I just explained to you, that they were ALREADY there, they didn't take it by force, they already lived there, for litearlly thousands of years (we have archeological evidence for at least 2 thousand, thus thousands, in plural).
Legally the place does belong to Azerbaijan, because URSS gave it to them to appease Turkey, but de-facto it was never Azeri land.
Note: I am talking about Nagorno-Nakbath proper, not the lands around it.
That said, I'm not well informed about this topic and I'm just going off the maps I find. Although the source also has maps of Armenian genocide, so I don't expect them to have an anti-Armenian bias.
Also by force, I'm referencing the previous Karabakh war of 1993. You can't deny the existence of force there.
First, there were no "Armenain vilayets" in the Ottoman Empire. It was a term people in Europe and USA used to define the six vilayets where there were the most Armenians. It was not an official designation.
Second, Nagorno-Karabakh was not one of the "Armenian vilayets" because it wasn't part of the Ottoman Empire. It was part of the Russian Empire.
Finally, Armenians predate Azeris (and Turks) in all the areas we are speaking about and were the majority in many of them up until the Armenian Genocide. In a few, they are still the majority to this day. Nagorno-Karabakh is one of those.
The argument I was responding to was "Karabakh became Azeri land in the 20th century because Russia wanted to appease Turkey", and I'm saying that the maps show the land has been under Azeri control during 9th-17th centuries (and Ottoman/Russian after).
A discussion on whether being a majority ethnicity gives Armenia the right for occupation would be quite complicated and unsuitable one for a tech forum.
The media is liars. The whole world accuses Azerbaijan and Turks of murder, but this is not true.
Azerbaijan has never attacked a civilian settlement. But Armenia attacks civilians every day, as it did in the past.
Turks do not kill civilians in their ethics.
Karabag is an Azerbaijani territory and was occupied by Armenia in the ~ 1990s. They attacked the villages and killed them without children or women. Armenians swallowed the skin of the children, They was cutting off the belly of the pregnant woman and bet on whether the child to be born was a boy or a girl. Do you know?
For ~ 30 years, Azerbaijan defended its rightful case, demanded its land back, but Europe remained silent.
There is a decent Armenian community in France. It’s the country in Europe where they are the most visible. Lots of Armenians were welcome after the genocide.
That said, I entirely agree. The timing is suspect as well, with Erdogan ramping up propaganda.
Most visible compared to other nations but I assure you it's not a topic even remotely as discussed as other ethnic groups from all over the planet. It's not like armenians were rubbing it in turks face on national television.
You’re right, it has never been an issue either way as far as I know, the Turks being more interested in the Kurds living in Paris than in the Armenians.
But it is still more likely to happen in France, just because there are more Armenians there.
- Turkey spent like decades denying any harm done to Armenians in general. Then for ~no reason at all, and not even in a place where Armenians are especially visible, a group of Turks decide to hunt some in the streets ? absurd squared
- That's yet another barbaric racist movement coming back from the past. Neo Nazis rallies in the US were a sad surprise after 45th PUSA election but now Turks ? .. if this is a social fever thermometer, it seems the fever is there.