> they could quite easily destabilise the country

> allowing dual citizenship

Problem solved then. Troublemakers get a one way ticket to their superior home country, and get their local citizenship revoked.

Belgium did this for Fouad Belkacem.

I understand Germany's hesitance in documenting, rounding up, and generally ostracising a certain identity group though, given their history.

I am not about to defend Erdoğan, but ...

Gray Wolves and ultranationalists predate Erdoğan and his own movement. The two have been at odds with one another but - being the clever politician that he is - he has allowed himself recently with those ultranationalists.

For a while Erdoğan brought in reforms for Turkey's Kurdish population, far beyond what any previous Turkish government, including the ultrasecular ones, had done. Of course he turned his back on them in the end and went back to what comes natural in Turkey, which is to vilify Kurds, Armenians, Greeks and pretty much everyone else.

I think the world is progressively realising that islamists are taking over the muslim world. What is unhelpful is that many confuse islamists and jihadists, which are a tiny fraction of islamists. Erdogan is a muslim brother.

You can do the exercise (I did) of going through every muslim country on the map, from Morocco to Indonesia, and lookup the recent political history of that country on wikipedia. In every single of these countries, no exception, either:

- the Islamists are in power or one of the largest political parties (Iran, Saudi Arabia, Marocco, Turkey, Pakistan, etc)

- the Islamists were one of the largest political forces but have been banned (doesn't mean they are not present) (Jordan, Algeria, etc)

- the Islamists are one of main the parties to a civil war (Libya, Syria, Yemen, etc)

I don't know what can be done in the west. I see this as a kind of repeat of communism. It's an idea which time has come. You don't get people to change their mind by force. They need to experience why it sucks before turning against the idea (in that respect Iran is probably leading the way, where the islamists seem to increasingly lose support of the population). And it doesn't mean it's a homogenous block (neither was communism).

> I don't know what can be done in the west.

For one, we could stop aiding islamists to overthrow non-islamist governments, as we did for example in Libya.

Gotta ask the CIA to stop their games as well

> You can do the exercise (I did) of going through every muslim country on the map, from Morocco to Indonesia, and lookup the recent political history of that country on wikipedia. In every single of these countries, no exception, either:

> - the Islamists are in power or one of the largest political parties

Do you consider Central Asian countries muslim ones? (At least until very recently) these countries (especially, Uzb.) brutally supressed any Islamic attempt at gaining any sort of power. I read elsewhere Uzb. now is trying to "liberalize" its politics with respect to "religious freedom" among others.

That would fall under "have been banned" category (though I must acknowledge that I know little of the history of that specific part of the world).

About 3, they might allow it but several countries don't, notably Germany (for Turkish descendants, if their citizenship is not revoked)

Of course the left doesn't like this as apparently being cannon fodder for one government while being a citizen of another is cool so...