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Do these "Grey Wolves" [0] still exist then? I had no idea. I remember seeing a movie long ago [1] but not its story. It was either about them or the turkish mafia.

I'm glad that we had this process of coming to terms with our past here in Germany [2]. While not everything is rosy for sure, we are basically aware of our past while not being overly affected by it anymore in the sense that old grudges or unsolved conflicts would still exist. It must have been not easy for earlier generations here at all and it is still a recurring topic in history classes in german schools but I think we are in a good place in this regard now.

Must suck to never have dealt with the past (think: Armenian Genocide [3], look for "Turkey denies that the word genocide is an accurate term for these crimes") and have that stuck in your society.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_Wolves_(organization)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_of_the_Wolves

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vergangenheitsbew%C3%A4ltigung

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide




> Do these "Grey Wolves" [0] still exist then?

Yes. They are also quite sizable in Germany where they are officially organized and about 20.000 members strong. To get an idea for the size: German far right extremists are estimated at about 30.000.


And that with only ~9% of the population (which is already quite a lot — 10 million). See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turks_in_Germany.


Where do these estimations come from?


There is a source for 18000 members in 2017 in the Wikipedia article [0], see footnote 11. The "Bundeszentrale für Politische Bildung" [1] is a reputable source.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_Wolves_(organization)#Ger...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Agency_for_Civic_Educa...


Well, not as much of an organization. Ulku ocaklari is the successor organization. Although it shares the same ideology as with its historical counterpart, it is considered mostly harmless. Generally due to the sheer incompetence of the organization).

However, there are far too many individuals/groups (Equivalent to Mafia in Turkey, ultranationalist gangs in Europe) that sympathize/share views with said organization. And those guys are definitely not "mostly harmless".




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