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The Shockwave Rider: A sci-fi classic, whose future we live in (2018) (factordaily.com)
98 points by ecliptik on Oct 4, 2020 | hide | past | favorite | 16 comments



Not to take anything away from John Brunner's 1975 classic, but EM Forster's The Machine Stops[1][2] was even more prescient.

Written in 1909, it predicted (in very rough, general form) something like the Internet, Internet addiction, video chat rooms, and virtual reality.

He also wrote another short story which I consider to be even better than The Machine Stops. It's called The Other Side of the Hedge[3], and while it's not as prescient it's one of my favorite short stories and I would highly recommend it to everyone.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Machine_Stops

[2] - https://www.ele.uri.edu/faculty/vetter/Other-stuff/The-Machi...

[3] - http://www.101bananas.com/library2/otherside.html


As I read The Other Side of the Hedge (which I agree is better) just after having read Fratelli Tutti[1], the ambiguity of its final possessive is striking.

It's so striking that I've attempted to actively use a second language[2] to reinterpret the final sentence:

Demang me ta finyish leta-kom biya im, im ta du terash ruserux mi fo shelaf fo mi finyish sensa seping biya, unte detim im du ting, mi ta vide im demang beratna mi.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24684152

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24675256


Wernher Von Braun wrote a fictional book about his non-fictional Mars proposal, with a character named Elon in it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/7wqnk4/werher...


I quickly read the page where it is mentioned and it seems that "Elon" is a title, not a name.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5sULaqBIp0QVXJCLWdRYjZZNGc...

"The Martian government was directed by ten men, the leader of whom was elected by universal suffrage for five years and entitled "Elon." Two houses of Parliament enacted the laws to be administered by the Elon and his cabinet. The Upper House was called the Council of the Elders and was limited to a membership of 60 persons, each being appointed for life by the Elon as vacancies occurred by death. In principle, the method was not unlike that by which the College of Cardinals of the Roman Catholic Church is appointed. Usually the Elon chose historians, churchmen, former cabinet members or successful economic leaders who could offer lifetimes of valuable experience."


The Machine Stops also has basically Spotify in it. Also a pretty prescient detail given radio was rather new in 1909.

But the whole premise is incredible, so spot on.



Sorry about that. Broken link fixed.


So, if Bill Gates had read more sci-fi, he could have had a better vision about the significance of the internet ...


Perhaps it's better to think of us living in a mash-up of all four of his Club of Rome Quartet futurist SF novels.

The Sheep Look Up: pollution-driven ecological collapse and climate change The Jagged Orbit: corporate capture of legislation and societal violence Stand On Zanzibar: overpopulation and media saturation The Shockwave Rider: rapid technological change

Brunner was a fascinating man; I only got to meet him a couple of times before his sadly early death, but his work has influenced many across more than just genre fiction. His role in late 1960s and early 1970s activist politics in the UK is often ignored, along with his autobiographical novel of the founding of CND, The Days Of The March.


Gregory Benford's The Scarred Man supposedly has priority for a SF description of a computer virus (I haven't read it): http://www.gregorybenford.com/extra/the-scarred-man-returns/ . The original Westworld came between The Scarred Man and The Shockwave Rider. Pasting my earlier comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10095511 :

> This is a chance to bring up my favourite Westworld scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_jW-C_G6Pk . As a depiction of computer worms causing industrial chaos this is pretty prescient, because it's from 1973, two years before The Shockwave Rider and predating all but the very first signs of self-replicating mischief in the real world or CS research https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_virus#Historical_deve... . (It's clear that Crichton the doctor had an analogy to human disease and medicine in mind https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7Dq7vqpGCM .) But it's also a great example of how real life is stranger than science fiction (as William Gibson likes to discuss). In the 1973 future the Chief Supervisor of Delos suggests that the resort is being attacked by a software worm and his fellow engineers find the very concept hard to take seriously; in the present day they'd just groan and ask "do you think it's the Chinese [government]?"

> Also, the Gunslinger vision https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jCDQvNh85Y mentioned in the article isn't just the first use of CGI in a feature film, it's surely also a very early, for all I know maybe the first, attempt to show the "first-person view" Umwelt of an artificially intelligent robot.


Truly ahead of its time. I believe it coined the term "worm" to mean a self-replicating malicious software.


Yes, that is mentioned in the second paragraph of the article.


You caught me - I'm just here for the comments :)


Actually, if you read more Brunner, it looks like we live more in Stand on Zanzibar...


I found the societal impact of rapid change and the datanet supporting that, eery for being so spot-on.

More so than the actual tech involved.


This is the book that pulled me into the computing field...my 1970's self wanted to be Nick Haflinger, I guess...




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