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Microsoft has definitely spoken out about app stores and their 30% cut. Here's a quote:

> “If you look at the industry today, I think what you’ll find is increasingly you’re seeing app stores that have created higher walls and far more formidable gates to access other applications than anything that existed in the industry 20 years ago,” says Smith. “They impose requirements that increasingly say there’s only one way to get onto our platform, and that is to go through the gate that we ourselves have created. In some cases they create a very high price for a toll, in some cases 30 percent of all your revenue has to go to the toll keeper if you will.” - Microsoft’s chief legal officer Brad Smith [0]

[0] https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/19/21296657/microsoft-apple-...



The same 30% that they take on XBox? You also have to pay MS a license fee for every game sold on the XBox - whether digital or physical.

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/08/as-epic-attacks-apple...


I guess you'd have to ask Microsoft’s chief legal officer Brad Smith.

Also, game consoles aren't nearly as ubiquitous or important to society as smart phones. I'm all for treating them very differently!

We certainly don't treat matchbooks the same as we treat flamethrowers.


Microsoft’s official position when it filed a brief in support of Epic was only with regards to the Unreal engine.

Do you really think that MS is naive enough to think that if the courts force Apple to change their policy with iOS devices, consoles won’t be next?


> Do you really think that MS is naive enough to think that if the courts force Apple to change their policy with iOS devices, consoles won’t be next?

You seem pretty confident of the outcome. Are you a lawyer?

Seems to me that a lot of different things could happen. We certainly don’t regulate every mode of transportation the same just because they all transport people.

You are forcing an analogy between smart phones and consoles that is based on one facet of their operation. Someone could live their whole life without owning a game console. Meanwhile, smart phones are considered an absolute necessity by a vast, vast majority of people in the US.


Even if we say that people “need” a smart phone.

A) do they need an iphone?

B) do they need any of the apps that Apple doesn’t allow?

C) in the case of Epic, why should Epic be treated differently by Apple than it is by consoles?


Easy.

A) When we came up with rules for car manufacturers, why should any single one of them get preferential treatment?

B) Do people need third party car parts that car manufacturers originally wouldn't let anybody else manufacture? Maybe not, but we still have laws protecting those third party manufacturers to allow them to sell.

C) There is no reason to treat bicycles (consoles) the same as cars (smart phones) because smart phones are so much more important to society than consoles.

As a matter of fact - we have laws that inhibit car manufacturers from selling directly to customers. There's absolutely no reason why we can't have the same things for smart phone manufacturers.

I say take their "company stores" away altogether [0]. I'm confident that it's going to happen eventually - if not from this lawsuit then from another.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_store


A) there is no special treatment. Apple, Google, Amazon, Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft, TiVo, LG (WebOS), Roku, are all allowed to bundle an App Store and curate what goes on their platform.

Can I buy digital currency for use with Fortnite and not give Epic a cut?

B) can I install a third party program on Teslas to enable features that they lock out?

C) there is no difference technologically between a Nintendo switch and a phone. If Nintendo added a cellular chip to the Switch, does it mean it should have to open up development? Could Apple be required to open up iPads with cellular and not those that don’t have one? Since phones are “essential” and tablets and smart watches aren’t, does that mean Spotify complaining about not having the same access to features on watch as Apple has is an invalid complaint [1]?

Could Apple just call the iPhone the “Apple Switch w/cellular”? Or more on brand “iPad Nano w/cellular”?

> As a matter of fact - we have laws that inhibit car manufacturers from selling directly to customers. There's absolutely no reason why we can't have the same things for smart phone manufacturers

Now you are in favor of laws passed only protect local dealers. Those laws are the definition of “regulatory capture”. They don’t help consumers at all. It prevents Tesla from selling in many states. Why shouldn’t we be able to order a car online directly from the manufacturer?

[1] Apple addressed every single one of Spotify’s technical complaints - opened up Siri integration to third party music streaming providers, added the ability to stream from the Watch and download music locally Tessa ago and Spotify is just now updating their app.


Ahh, sorry but I'm not going to read anymore from you here.

I've pointed out undeniable real life parallels where things might not go the way you're thinking. If you can't accept that reality, then I can't really help you.

I guess you can enjoy having that last word though!




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