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I only said that it is safer to assume surveillance. I didn't say it was more fair or more "defensible" or whatever. In reply you've offered "default assumptions" and "burdens of proof" and "theology". Whom do you attempt to convince with this [EDIT:] sophistry?

Oh and nice job implying that Chinese dissidents have the duty of "proving" to the world that the Chinese government surveils them. Snowden is not a dissident, he is a whistleblower. Also, in general, telling people who suffer that they ought to educate the rest of us about the particular details of their suffering is not cool.




> Oh and nice job implying that Chinese dissidents have the duty of "proving" to the world that the Chinese government surveils them.

Chinese dissidents didn't make the claim that the Chinese government is surveilling Zoom, you are. They're not your rhetorical shield.

> I only said that it is safer to assume surveillance.

This thread was started by:

> Is there any reason not to assume that the Chinese government is surveilling Zoom calls en masse?

You seem to be taking all of this very personally for some reason.


They're not your rhetorical shield.

That's handy because you're the one who brought them up only to imply that they aren't as worthy of our sympathy as Snowden.

This thread was started by...

...someone with the good sense to ignore your verbal incontinence. Eventually I'll learn the lesson; downvote and move on.


> That's handy because you're the one who brought them up.

There's a difference between bringing up the fact that somebody exists and putting words in their mouths to help your point.

> ...someone with the good sense to ignore your verbal incontinence. Eventually I'll learn the lesson; downvote and move on.

You're getting unreasonably mad right now. Please calm down.




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