It's all privacy here. End to end encryption provides privacy; the company can't view your conversations. Not paying with a credit card provides privacy; you don't have to give them your personal information. So if you can't have one without the other then you can't have privacy with Zoom. (Unless you're a terrorist with a stolen credit card.)
What about the troves of metadata they collect and make available to law enforcement? Plus the fact you have to register with a phone number which can tie the metadata to a specific individual.
Doesn't sound very private to me.
Privacy is full of tradeoffs. Security isnt. My messages on WhatsApp are safe from anyone I don't trust that doesn't have 10 super computers and a lot of patience.
But that doesn't mean everything I do on there isn't tracked to kingdom come. It doesn't mean the fact I sent a message to Alice is private.
> So by your logic then, WhatsApp provides privacy?
By your logic by my logic then Zoom provides privacy if you pay them. This is obviously the opposite of what I said. The most private solution is end to end encrypted and doesn't require a credit card and doesn't collect metadata etc.
> Privacy is full of tradeoffs. Security isnt.
Everything is full of trade offs. How can privacy be full of trade offs and security not when privacy is a subset of security?
> The most private solution is end to end encrypted and doesn't require a credit card and doesn't collect metadata etc.
The most private solution actually doesn't involve a computer at all. It's not very useful though.
> How can privacy be full of trade offs and security not when privacy is a subset of security?
See my initial comment:
> Security with encryption is about trust guarantees.
I'm not meaning "cybersecurity" when I say security here. I'm talking specifically about the security of encryption. Privacy and crypto security are two distinct concepts within cybersecurity.
Privacy hides the existence of a thing. Encryption (security) keeps the thing safe.
It's all privacy here. End to end encryption provides privacy; the company can't view your conversations. Not paying with a credit card provides privacy; you don't have to give them your personal information. So if you can't have one without the other then you can't have privacy with Zoom. (Unless you're a terrorist with a stolen credit card.)