How can you compare a nation and it's minions who are conducting a terrible subjugation of an entire group of people who made the mistake of being born there.
As an Israeli I was really hoping Hacker News could be the one online forum where I didn't have to hear generalizations about my country's right to exist. I respect your opinion and I'm sure there's more complexity and historical awareness to mutually discuss, but please keep the snarky one-liners to Reddit.
> where I didn't have to hear generalizations about my country's right to exist.
I'm not sure where you inferred that from. Criticism of Israel's policies and structural flaws is not existentialism criticism unless you have a very paranoid mindset.
> could be the one online forum
There should be no place on this globe where you should be free from the consequences of your actions. It would certainly be nicer if you could retreat somewhere and not have to listen to the grievances that people have and maybe just maybe the way to do that would be to change Israel itself and then the chorus of complaints will be silenced.
> but please keep the snarky one-liners to Reddit.
I'm sick of pro-Israeli policy supporters always using clever language and smear tactics to voice dissent. How about you try to move the debate forward and help us understand your point of view instead appearing as someone who gets touchy when the little "problem" of the ghettoization and subjugation of a whole population is mentioned.
Free from the consequences of my actions?
How do you know how I voted in the last election?
If anytime you travelled abroad you were treated like a hard-core Iraq ware supporter and Halliburton board member you'd get sick of it too. Or if every time your country vaguely became a topic for discussion things immediately devolved to view you and your nationality as not much except native american murderers and subjugators and ask you to answer for everyone else's actions in the history of your country. And when you have a well articulated answer explaining that it's more complicated than an archetypical narrative, or anything slightly well-written, they dismiss you as a highly-trained PR spokesperson lurking on forums instead of a human being with an opinion.
Yeah, it gets tiring.
As a result, you don't really want to get into details because it doesn't really sound like anyone's too open to hearing what you have to say, just looking for a fight. And then people pre-empt you by saying "stop calling me an anti-semite" and "I'm sick of you people saying ___ " while at the same time completely ignoring other important human rights abuses going on in the world, you begin to wonder why you bother engaging anyone, and instead just resort to asking to talk about it elsewhere, not when you're trying to read Hacker News.
And yes, snarky one-liners that gloss over the entire region's history evoke all of this.
Oops. That's an ambiguity of English and a lack of careful specificity on my part. I meant "your actions" as in one's actions.
If I were from the US I agree that it would get irritating real fast if that was how I was treated while I went about my business - I'm not sure whether that was failed attempt of yours to turn the tables on me or a strange attempt at engendering empathy and garnering support.
I shall repeat because you appear to have missed it: there would be less opportunity to for you to get tired of hearing people calling out Israeli policies if Israeli policies changed, maybe that is where energy should be diverted to maybe just maybe?
Anyway, let's not stray too far from the real real news here, Egypt! The very real possibility of a genuine democracy on Israel's doorstep. That would be awesome, I'm sure we can all agree on that.
Repeating this, once again: Criticism of the Israeli government's policies is not antisemitic.
Criticism of the Israeli government's policies does not question Israel's right to exist.
One should not blindly support one's government. We all know how that turned out in Europe in the 30s.
Asking someone not to generalize is not the same as claiming someone is an anti-semite. I appreciate your clarification that you're not questioning Israel's right to exist, I read too much into it. Finally, thank you for helping this thread comply with Godwin's law.
How can you compare a nation and it's minions who are conducting a terrible subjugation of an entire group of people who made the mistake of being born there.
Silly.